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Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by audiokid, Sep 13, 2000.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

    Mar 20, 2000
    BC, Canada
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    Hi all, I'm looking for a serious two channel tube pre. (AES/EBU)

    Tube preamps are new to me and I believe that this will smoothen out the slight razer edge of my 03D and the 888/24, right?

    I want everything to be AES/EBU. I plan on going with something like the Apogee in time or maybe didgi is planning something soon so taking that into consideration, what is my best choice for a preamp?

    Do tubes compress as well?

    warmest regards to all
    long live RO

  2. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    The Cranesong Flamingo might be just what you're looking for. Or maybe 2 channels of clean class A pre's (GML, Avalon, Millenium, etc.) plus a HEDD. Check 'em out at the Mercenary website. Fletcher is a real straight shooter, no bull, no runaround. [url="(dead link removed)[/url]

    Apogees are excellent front end for clean input to PT, and more stable clock than 888 or even USB. Don't throw the 888 away tho! It's still good for AES input. You don't want to waste the AD$8000 i/o's on that.

    Not sure I understand your question about tubes compressing... all devices will compress if you drive em hard enuf. Tube pre's will not automatically add compression, unless that's a feature on the piece. But even without a compressor, it might _sound_ kinda like compression when compared to a cheap solid state pre plugged into the 888. Capisci?


    Angelo Quaglia
    AQ Productions
  3. editor

    editor Guest

    snipped from DUC

    As one of the engineers/mixers for Britney, 'N Sync, BackStreet Boys, I can tell you my own experience with the huge vocal sound that we achieve. I use the Manley Reference Cardiod Mic & a Tube-Tech CL1-B among other things. This combination gives a very present sound. As far as BG Vox, I compress about 8-10 dB when recording and maybe another 5-6 when mixing. We do anywhere from 40-80 tracks of BG's depending on the song and the structure of the harmonies. When I am doing the Ruff Mixes, I use a combination of the Waves Renaissance Compressor and the Focusrite D2 and the Waves De-esser for both Leads and BG's. This is the best combo of plugs that I have found if you don't have Avalon's and GML's available.
    As far as Auto-Tune & VocAlgin. We NEVER use them on BG's. The slight variation in pitch and timing creates some of the wideness that you here in the records. I know that this music seems pretty formulated and stale to all of you critics out there. The reality is that we spend a great deal of time, energy, and effort to get the productions to the level that they are at.
    Remember we are not making records so Audiophiles and Critics to judge our work but to provide a product aimed at the majority of the record buying public. The bottom line is all about the song, the song and the song.

    Hope this helps...

    (Snipped from DUC)
  4. I like using the Avalon VT 737 sm not sp(a black face version from Mercenary Audio, it's about $300.00 cheaper than the aircraft alum face one but still the same unit) only it's single chanel w/ compresson and EQ but sounds great . If I have a screamer I bypass the comp and use a Purple MC76 to limit.

    If your handy I have built an old Altec design with Jensen trans that really sound good. We A/B it to our Tube-Tech MP 1A Not a lot of difference. Contact me and I'll give you the details.

    David L. Black
    Old House Recording Studio - Gastonia, NC http://www.oldhousestudio.com

    [This message has been edited by dbeng@bellsouth.net (edited 09-26-2000).]
  5. vtone

    vtone Guest

    If you have the money go for the 2 channel Fearn (http://www.dwfearn.com). I would also recommend the Flamingo or Manley.

    Mercenary carries all these.

    [This message has been edited by vtone (edited October 03, 2000).]
  6. e-cue

    e-cue Active Member

    Oct 5, 2000
    Try a/b'ing any other mic pre with the pre on the 737. It's a great chain, don't get me wrong. But I've found that if I use most board mic pre's & the 737's compressor/eq, it sounds better. A m7 & 737 is a sweet combo.
    A real cheap alternative is the Behringer Ultragain, which I endorse. It's under $200 and sounds great. The eq leaves a little to be desired. It isn't aes/ebu. The studer valve is incredible with aes.

    [This message has been edited by e-cue (edited December 29, 2000).]

    [This message has been edited by e-cue (edited December 30, 2000).]
  7. lwilliam

    lwilliam Active Member

    Oct 6, 2000
    Santa Clarita, CA USA
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    I would recommend listening to 3D Audio's Mic Pre CD. It changed my mind about tube vs solid state and about some VERY expensive mic pre's compared to something around $1000.

    Check it out at [url="(dead link removed)[/url]

    I make nothing from the sale of those CDs, BTW.

    The Flamingo was one of my top choices, also, and it's NOT a tube pre.

  8. vtone

    vtone Guest

    I agree. if you want a tube pre amp, and you want to do it right, you have to spend mega-$$$. however don't be under the impression that ONLY tube pres will warm up your sound. the Flamingo (and just about everything from Crane Song) are excellent. look around and when you find the brand you want, ask people about it. or better yet see if you can audition one. only YOU know what sounds good...
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

    Mar 20, 2000
    BC, Canada
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    I recieved this from a friend, anyone used this pre, is it dated now?

    <I can recomend a specific pre amplifier the Peavey VMP2 discrete tube preamplifier with two inputs xlr and 1/4" balanced in/out,
    48V phantom, 40/60hz pads,two band classic tone controls and four tubes per channel. This is not a fake pretend to be a classic tube pre it is a accurate reproduction of something you would have purchased in late 1960's.

    I feel very good about this preamp because I assisted in the design from the ground up five years ago, it was built to my spec to a tee.....

    cost$1,400.00 CDN

    essential in the use of digital recordings I and many others feel>
  10. MMazurek

    MMazurek Active Member

    Oct 25, 2000
    I really like the Manley dual mono. You can adjust the negative feedback to increase/decrease the 'tube' effect. (more warm/hot to remarkably clean & clear) You also have two options for output: XLR balanced through a handwound custom transformer (warmer) and 1/4" unbalanced bypassing the transformer (cleaner). (Flamingo has similar features, but I haven't heard it)

    Love the 737sp also. The comp/eq are very nice. Great on vox, bass, DI bass. Haven't tried it on other stuff. (yet)

    Just picked up a TLAudio EQ-2 dual channel tube pre w/tube EQ. Haven't really used it enough to compare to the others I have.

    I like options, but it gets rather expensive.

    MIKE BURN Guest

    I swear on the FOCUSRITE QUAD preamp (red-series)...


    ...it works GREAT with the 888/24 I/O and you simply have to adjust one knob...you won't be disappointed....

  12. Louiseven

    Louiseven Guest

    Hey all thought I'd drop my new favorite Mic pre. GT Electronics Vipre. WOW This thing blew my mind. Really versatile and very well built. Check it out.
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