Use Stompbox as Rack FX Send Unit?

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by Guitarfreak, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    OK, so here is the situation, you have a pedal with a certain echo effect that you use for a particular song right? But, according to Slipperman, you should process time based effects like echo AFTER you have recorded the tone. Is it possible to send the recorded amped tone out through a reamp box then through the pedal in question with the 'magic settings'? Or will there be a problem with the level of the incoming signal that would be detrimental to the pedal? Will it even sound the same? Is there a better way to do this?
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Apr 19, 2006
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    Sure, standard re-amping techniques will deal with this. However, I challenge you to play in the way you want while just hearing the clean guitar tone that is being recorded and not hearing the effect from the pedal. What I would do is record both clean (DI) and effected signals as two tracks, and then see at mixdown whether you need to re-amp to replace the effected track as the final take, or even blend in a re-amped track with the original effected track and/or the clean track.
  3. Jeemy

    Jeemy Well-Known Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Two alternatives.

    One, use something like the MW1 Studio Tool I think it is called. This is basically a rackmounted DI/reverse DI box which allows insertion of studio-level gear into guitar chains, or stompboxes into mixdown chains. As Boswell says, you will lose dynamics, this is more I think for if somebody gives you a mix and they made a mess of the guitar sounds, its a rescue tool.

    What I do is again what Boswell says but from a guitarist's point of view; delays and time modulation effects interfere with speaker excursion.

    Therefore if I have time-delay effects going (chorus, flanging, pitch shifting (the worst culprit), delay etc) I run a 100% dry signal back to my main cabinet, which is just behind me (for live use). I then have another 1x12 cabinet where I run the 100% wet signal so on-stage and out front, it sounds normal, but for recording and phase purposes, the signals are split and decoupled.

    You obviously, or ideally, need two guitar amps for this, I use a Rivera S-120 stereo amp, but in fact, the echo/effect sound is much less important and you can sideline it to virtually any amp. The benefit gained by keeping your main speaker's transients, attack and feel unaffected by any bouncing sounds is far outweighed by any slight loss of quality by using a secondary amp for what are effectively FX return channels.

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