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What are you recording and why are you recording it?

Discussion in 'Microphones (live or studio)' started by Kurt Foster, Oct 3, 2002.

  1. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    jimistone,
    Leaving behind something for your kids is something I am sure we all would like to do. I happen to love Blues also, and my biggest success's have been in that genre. I would like very much to hear some of your stuff and I left a private message for you. Please contact me....Fats
     
  2. MikeG

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    Recording for me is a hobby.
    Last week I got a call, would I record drums by kids with learning disabilities? Sure I said. When I arrived the kids were unloading the drums from a large van - I counted 17 drums of varying sizes and styles. Then came 2 guitars, 2 xylophones, cowbells, maraccas, bongos, bells and more.
    They all piled into this tiny room - the SPL was unbelievable! Closedback cans on made no difference at all. It was just far too loud to hear the mix at full vol even by holding the cans tight to my ears!
    I booked a large space with good acoustics (a friend at no charge)and we did a real recording session yesterday. Gee those kids may have disabilities but playing isn't one of them! They have rhythm and power. One very young guy came up to me as I was pulling the curtains closed & asked me if that was for the acoustics. Now that ain't dumb. Man, it was a fun time.
     
  3. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    I'll bet it was. My wife is a teacher at a public school program for D.D kids and she tells me she has noticed that music is a common denominator with many of them! It shows a great amount of heart to do that and I applauded you....Another great reason to record. Someday I would love to visit Scotland, ancestral home y'know and I would love to play a round at St. Andrews.....Thanks for your post.... Fats
     
  4. SlideMan

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    My current project is a band that just moved from Milwaukee to Minneapolis. It's a (LOOOOOOW) paying gig but the music is good. They're in their mid-twenties, five piece with two guitars and sax. Two pretty good singers, all original material.

    The strange thing about this project is that the band is punctual, and they haven't even brought a beer into the studio....wow. Productivity.

    They've had a few recording experinces in Milwaukee, all bad. They are grateful that I actually listen to the instruments in the studio so I'll know how they sound, and that through proper mic selection and placement, the natural enormity of their sound is actually going to tape!!!

    Compliments to the engineer, what a concept. We must still be in the honeymoon phase of this project. The band all wishes that I was their Dad.

    The long lost Jeff Roberts
     
  5. Kurt Foster

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    Yeah and in return, I'll bet they are getting that extra mile out of you too! It sounds like all of you actually have a clue. :tu:Fats
     
  6. jimistone

    jimistone Guest

    hey fats did you get my private message and e-mail?
     
  7. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    jimi;
    Got it! Hey what are you recording on? What format and what kind of front end? Thanks Fats
     
  8. I record for the love of it for now. I hpe to make it a career. The minneapolis man, you may know the school, Hennipenn Tech, in Eden Prarie.

    I record my poetry, and set them to music. I record my own music, also Demo/Indie for friends, and other local bands. I've found the poetry is much like scoring for a radio play/film.

    I eventually want to open my own studio, with a full room, and few simple digital workstations in a where people can come in and lay down basic guitar and midi, bass, rough vocals, as demo's , for a bit more reasonable price.

    But as for reasonable things right now, I really would like to get an engineering job, eventually would like to do at least one scoring project for an anime(japaneese cartoon) film, seeing as they're so libral with their sound.

    But for now, I record for the pure love of it! It's just so amazing to take a few people, or simply yourself, and go from absolutly nothing, to something so very amazing and powerful.
     
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    2 in a row from Mini..Mini...Minnesota :tu:
     
  10. chrisperra

    chrisperra Active Member

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    i record becuase i got tired of paying 4 or 500 dollars a day for mediocre demos. i think you need to pay upwards of a thousand a day to get noticabe results.

    at 4 of 5 hundred a day you usually get an engineer who knows about as much as you. you're just paying for their gear. that aside i figured if i got the gear myself i would get better results becaus in the end its the performance that counts.

    most people even at 4 or 5 hun a day only have enough money to squeak through rough takes to get a project done.

    if you have time on your hands you can learn how things are done, and learn about how to play better and record better than if you only have a week to do 12 songs.

    i do demos for people on a project basis . mostly,a certain amount per song no matter how long it takes to get it right. i learn, they learn, we all get better together.

    chris perra

    :c:
     
  11. pan

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    It's a great feeling to put things together and to focus on a song's image. Even better to accomplish, what we all are going for...finished product(ion).

    But in the end it is about working each job with different people.
     
  12. Kurt Foster

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    These days with so many ways to record available for so little money, people often record just for the sake of recording. The material and the talent are secondary to the desire to make a product. How do you all feel about this? Do you think good recordings can be created with this kind of motivation, or is this perhaps one of the reasons the music industry is suffering so much? ……Fats
     
  13. jimistone

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    yes...good recordings can be made without talent. *enter* protools. but some of my personal favorite recordings are old blues and early rock records...from the era when they got all the musicians in the studio and did it in one take. the engineers set the equipment and mics up to best capture the band as a whole...counted it off and pushed "play". if the performance was there it was a take...bumped spring reverbs, coughing in the background, flubs on solos, hi piched feedback loops created by certain frequencies, instrument slightly out of tune...THEY LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY! We all know of some recordings that are flawed from a tech standpoint but are magic moments on tape.
    I firmaly believe that if you could go back in time, take the same musicians, and cut the songs one instrument at a time like most people do now....you would suck every bit of the life out of those classic performances.

    a half ass recording of a great performance is better than a great recording of a half ass performance...in my opinion.

    i think thats the problem with records today there are too many tools to "alter" the performance making it perfect in everyway :quantisized for perfect timing, pitch correction on the vocals, copy the best snare hit and paste that fucker all the way through the song, and just eliminate the dynamics with compression...THEY HAVE SUCKED THE SOUL OUT OF MUSIC....PERIOD.

    i hear comments like "if george martin had of had access to modern digital tecnology...if jimi hendrix could have had access to modern guitars and effects...so on and so on.
    THANK GOD THEY DIDN'T!!
    can you imagine what "whole lotta shakin' goin' on" (arguably the greatest rock track ever cut) would have sounded like if it was recorded one track at a time in 24 bit digital.
    There is a new movement with teenagers "jam rock" and to that ever growing fan base "the allman brothers at fillmore east" is the holy grail (well deserved i might add). Im glad that style is coming back. something's got to give with the current music scene. all this perfectly automated stuff that sounds the same is SOOOOOOOOOO boring it hurts.
     
  14. Kurt Foster

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    That's why I focus on working with blues artist. It's one of the last honest formats. If you record the rhythm track live it's gonna have some feel to it. Overdub all you want but I've found that the best albums I worked on were tracked, overdubbed and mixed in 3 or 4 - 6 hour days! A lot of talented artists were involved and that's what made it go so fast. IMO just the fact that everybody keeps saying "what's wrong with music", indicates there's something wrong. …………… Fats
     
  15. M Brane

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    That pretty much sums it up.

    :c:
     
  16. Screws

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    Right now, I'm doing 3 projects at once (Thank You, God and Yamaha, for digital mixers and total recall).

    My wife's CD is finally in the mixing stage, a labor of love in more ways than one. I'm not producing, a close friend is and his schedule is terrible lately, so we get in about 2 days a week on it. This project is on Digital Performer and 16 tracks of DA88/38.

    A couple from my church, very good friends, wife is a singer/songwriter. Nice stuff, inspired lyrics and we collaborate on arrangements. $25.00 an hour, only 4-6 hours a week. This stuff is all DP.

    My 3rd son's band (15). 2 guitars, bass, drums and he sings/screams. Young guys and girl (bass) still learning their instruments (who isn't?) and they let me experiment with mic placement and such. All tracks are to DAxx with no MIDI stuff or DP tricks, though I'd love to be able to edit the drum takes. This one is another labor of love and lets me spend some quality time with one of my 5 sons.
     
  17. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    Labor of love is a great reason to be recording IMO. You just can't beat it. The reason I posed this question / started this thread is I've been trying to demonstrate that it's far more important what and why your recording than what your recording on. Subject matter is the most important thing. To many times in this age of digital proliferation recordists are concentrating on what they're recording with rather than what they're recording. Keep it coming, I love hearing about your projects. Any more Blues out there? ...... Fats ;)
     
  18. jdsdj98

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    No blues here, but I did just start a new project Tuesday night with the polka man. A polka mass. Ever heard "How Great Thou Art" on an accordion? Me either. It was snowing out, and all I got was a huge bowl of chili and some Keystone Light (read: no money). It was a good night.

    Fats: I'd say polka is still an honest holdout.
     
  19. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

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    WoW :( .....anyone who plays accordion has got to be playing honest.
    I once left an accordion in the back seat of my car. When I returned my car had been broken into... and there were two accordions in the back seat.

    :D :D ...Fats
     
  20. Duncanjp

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    Interesting thread. After drifting into and out of numerous jobs and industries over the last 27 years, the only thing that has remained constant and consistent in my life has been my passion for playing guitar and writing songs. I haven't been in a gigging band for several years, but the drive to make a pretty sound, especially a loud one, always consumes me. Blues rock, folk rock, waltzy ballads, and Celtic stuff, mostly.

    I'm recording only originals. Originials communicate exactly what my thoughts are, not someone else's. I began writing songs the day that I learned my second or third chord, and while I've enjoyed my share of time in cover bands, I would feel absolutely zero soul satisfaction from recording someone else's material. That's like painting by the numbers, IMO. No, my songs may not be up to the standards of Lennon and McCartney, but so what? They're mine. And when my project is completed, and I have a full CD of original music to distribute, then I'll have fulfilled a lifelong dream of producing something both artistic and original.

    There are two other answers to the Why question. Now that I'm 43, and too old to be a (new) rock star, I finally find myself financially able to put together a cool, reasonably-equipped home studio. I wish I had had all this gear 20 years ago! Secondly, recording is a bit of an ego trip, I'll unashamedly admit. I'm not quite Jimmy Page, but after 27 years of playing Led Zeppelin riffs, I've developed a few pretty hot licks that sound just ripper as I'm driving down the road. It's fun to be able to say to people, "Yeah, that's me on the guitar. I wrote that."

    Just wish I could sing a little better. Cheers. :c:

    DDDDdduncan
     

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