it looks as if i will be heading up vocals in a band that i am joining, so i would like to have my sound tailored to me, regardless of where we play. i would like to put together a small, quality rig (rack mount perhaps?) so that i can just give an XLR cable to the sound guy at a gig and tell him to run it my signal dry, and just EQ as needed.
my question is, what do you guys suggest for a good outcome (what style? ROCK!)? eq, compressor, reverb, delay, tube mic preamp, all around effects processor such as Lexicon mx200 or tc m350, bbe 362, or what?
i dont know much about perfecting live vocals, so any insight would be greatly appreciated =)
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The StudioLive consoles are a great bang for the buck deal, espe
The StudioLive consoles are a great bang for the buck deal, especially for people that are not really ready to jump into a menu infested digital console like a Yamaha. The packaged software allows for multitrack recording. It is a good front in for a demo studio as well. We are dealers and have not had any issues. There was a run that had an issue or two, but Presonus is quick to act. Thumbs up.
Just out of curiosity...How often will you be gigging, and what
Just out of curiosity...How often will you be gigging, and what will the pay be like? Is it worth purchasing a bunch of new gear right off the bat? Most new bands fall apart before the second gig. When you stated that "you don't know much about perfecting live vocals" I am assuming you have limited stage exp? I do it for a living and would suggest you get a little time under your belt before buying more then you absolutly need. You will quickly learn what you need if you start from the bottom. It's hard to put a roof on a house that doesn't have a foundation or walls yet.
I could be wrong and you be a seasoned pro, but then you probably wouldn't be asking this question.? ;)
Stealthy, that's like asking what pair of tube socks should I bu
Stealthy, that's like asking what pair of tube socks should I buy? Answer: a left & a right pair. But then you don't necessarily need 4 socks. So maybe you should buy 2 left ones or 2 right ones?
Stealthy, this is why there is professional audio engineers. You sing and leave the engineering to the engineers. You're asking about all of these effects and stuff because you probably don't sing very well. If you did? You wouldn't need any of that crap. That's called vocal & microphone technique, which you obviously don't have. Not to be insulting here mind you. But after 40 years, we've all gone through a lot of this stuff with folks like you. There is no magic pill nor button nor gizmo that will make you sound like Tom Jones. Bob Dylan maybe?
It's not unusual....
Mx. Remy Ann David
RemyRAD, post: 348696 wrote: Stealthy, that's like asking what p
RemyRAD, post: 348696 wrote: Stealthy, that's like asking what pair of tube socks should I buy? Answer: a left & a right pair. But then you don't necessarily need 4 socks. So maybe you should buy 2 left ones or 2 right ones?
Stealthy, this is why there is professional audio engineers. You sing and leave the engineering to the engineers. You're asking about all of these effects and stuff because you probably don't sing very well. If you did? You wouldn't need any of that crap. That's called vocal & microphone technique, which you obviously don't have. Not to be insulting here mind you. But after 40 years, we've all gone through a lot of this stuff with folks like you. There is no magic pill nor button nor gizmo that will make you sound like Tom Jones. Bob Dylan maybe?
It's not unusual....
Mx. Remy Ann David
I couldn't disagree more.. what arrogant nonsense.. you presume too much! Hmm.. using your rationale - that must mean that you are a rank amateur yourself! I guess you are implying that the hordes of vocalists that use vocal effects to 'get an edge' on the competition are all rank amateurs that can't sing as well?
In any case I recently played with 3 vocalists/guitarists that were each using the TC Helicon VoiceTone Harmony-G XT Guitar and Vocal Effects Pedal (which does a great job of live vocal and guitar effects - plus it fits in your pocket - for $250!). All three of these guys are great singers and their vocal harmonies can blow the roof off. These guys were controlling their own sound and of course the sound guy WAS pissed that he couldn't control the mix - being relegated to just making sure the signal was coming out the FOH. It sounded great on stage and in the audience - based on soundcheck walk arounds and other sources - and this was an outdoor gig with all of it's inherent challenges. Indoor venues sound even better.. not to mention - recording with these puppies is a breeze.
TC Electronic M350 Reverb and Effects Processor was also recommended - for $200
So yeah for big productions an engineer with state of the art equipment is the way to go.. but for small venue/small budgets there are some very good options out there that work very well..
No, real singers don't need stupid crap like that. If your shtic
No, real singers don't need stupid crap like that. If your shtick is pop music nonsense then maybe you do need it. I'm talking about making music recordings with professional musicians & singers. I'm not about making effects recordings. There is a difference you know. Obviously you don't know. But that's okay. Now you do know. So welcome to the real world. You're talking to somebody who has over 40 years in the business, before we had computer junk. Does that compute?
1+1 = Microsoft
Mx. Remy Ann David
RemyRAD, post: 354261 wrote: No, real singers don't need stupid
RemyRAD, post: 354261 wrote: No, real singers don't need stupid crap like that. If your shtick is pop music nonsense then maybe you do need it. I'm talking about making music recordings with professional musicians & singers. I'm not about making effects recordings. There is a difference you know. Obviously you don't know. But that's okay. Now you do know. So welcome to the real world. You're talking to somebody who has over 40 years in the business, before we had computer junk. Does that compute?
1+1 = Microsoft
Mx. Remy Ann David
.. it must be tough being the only one in the universe (apparently yours) that works with professional singers or musicians. Tip: drop the condescending arrogance and judgemental opinions.. it will give you more cred than your '40 years' exp. Lol.
re: DIY vocal effects boxes - I agree for live sound they're not ideal; but for a quick live off the floor demo, you can get very good results with very little time invested. The TC box won't improve your singing ability, but can, if used sparingly provide a richer sound.. or if you just want to cop the CCR 185 msec delay etc.
Why do people get upset when I informed them of something correc
Why do people get upset when I informed them of something correctly? Well you can't fix stupid. That's obvious. I think we know who singers are. I think we know who vocalists are. A singer can be a vocalist but a vocalist can't necessarily be a singer. It may seem like a nuanced difference but it's not. E.g. Megadeth are vocalists not singers. The late Dame Joan Sutherland was a singer. Get it?
Knowing the difference between good and bad, right and wrong real and unreal
Mx. Remy Ann David
She is a Moderator because she knows her shit, has done it longe
She is a Moderator because she knows her shit, has done it longer than most folks in a professional setting for all levels of talent and all genres of music, and is pretty damn funny nearly all of the time.
She could just as easily said there are musicians and their are people that hold instruments (or microphones). Some of both categories get all the notes nearly all of the time. The former category gets most of the notes most of the time but add something else to those notes that make them worth listening to. The latter category however, are less likely to get all the notes and definitely not a chance to get music out of the notes they do get. Musicians don't need gimmicks while human instrument stands do.
For what it's worth, a professional sound engineer doesn't ultimately care what category the person they are recording is in. One however will get in and out of the studio/hall quickly and on/under budget and the other is likely to go way over budget on studio time alone before mixing and mastering ever takes place.
Another fun fact is that most folks are whores for gear instead of just learning to sing/play/beat skins/whatever in a competent fashion. Gear doesn't make the musician or the engineer. Rarely does it even hide the flaws very well.
well there are simple engines on the market like mid priced ,500
well there are simple engines on the market like mid priced ,500-800$ channel strips( spl track one, drawmer mx60, aphex 230,safe sound p1, etc...) very easy to set up. you can give it to any sound guy to operate by the desk. you can also add lexicon mx 200 in the rack and you are done in just 1k.