FINALLY!! The saga begins

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  1. MadMax

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    Not that it matters, but an update none the less...

    Well at last, the studio build looks like it should start in ernest within the month.

    The surveyors called Friday of last week to let me know that the survey is complete. 3 sets of drawings and the CAD file is on it's way as of TOMORROW!!

    Once they arrive I'm off to the health department to get the site selection/approval for the septic.

    WHAT A PROCESS!! It's been 2 months waiting for the surveyor to get done... and I only had to get the survey done since the Health Dept engineer could find 1 friggin' stake!

    Oh well, it's almost footin' diggin' time! Thank goodness cool weather's comming... should make the diggin a bit easier to deal with.

    Max
     
  2. zemlin

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    OT - I see you're in Graham. I lived in Greensboro from '86-'94. I worked in Elon College for about half that time (ECII - was REGO back then). I remember when we first moved down there, whenever I would lose my way driving around Burlington I'd end up in Graham.

    My wife and I decided pretty quickly that "All roads lead to Graham."

    Best of luck with the Studio project.
     

  3. Studio Build Diary with Piccies or it didn't happen! :)


    Paul
     
  4. MadMax

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    Yeah, it seems like it anyway... or at least to the Graham Theater... $5.00 seats, $.99 popcorn and cokes with FREE refills!

    Heck, that's almost a draw for the studio itself!... then there's Pulcinella's down the street, Sal's in Burlington and the new Hersey's BBQ just up the road from the house! (Killer good pig, man!) Hersey's is kind of a cross between Lexington and Bullock's.

    It's not too sweet, but not all cayenne/Texas Pete either. A smooth smoked flavor without being too overwhelming like Goldsboro or Memphis style. If you get down this way, you owe it to yourself (and your wife) to stop by there. If you do, you gotta try the key-lime and the Banana Puddin'!... awe shit... now I'm droolin' on the keyboard!

    ... anybody got a towel?

    Thanks for the wishes! We'll need em!

    Max
     
  5. MadMax

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    I'll do it Paul!

    I just snagged a Fuji S2 from the shop to play with for a few weeks. I'll start grabbin' a few shots once the weather breaks, (remnants of Ivan the Terrible) and post em' on my site.

    Take it easy!

    Max
     
  6. Cool! :)


    My advice would be to keep a studio diary on this forum.

    I started my Studio Build Diary in order to give back to the group at Studio tips. But I soon realised it was good therapy for myself. You see before I started the diary, I used to go to bed and not sleep for ages becuase I had studio build crap constantly whirring around in my head. Soon after I started the diary I realised I was sleeping much better. Because I'd offloaded a brain full of the day's events onto the diary

    And the more studio build diaries the better I say!! You see acoustics/studio design forums are full of people asking and answering questions on design matters, and that's great. But then people get their solution and go away, usually never to be heard of again.

    We rarely get to to read about what actually happens in practise. i.e What happened during the build, and how well the build worked when it was finished.

    My diary has clocked up over 17,000 hits to date, which proves there's a need for this kind of info.

    It only takes 20mins to half hour a day to do the diary, and it's a great investment in sleep quality and time :)

    :)


    Paul
     
  7. zemlin

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    Carolina Bar-B-Que is something I never took to while I was there. There's a story I could tell about that (I smuggled some sauce from Illinois to NC & it was a BIG hit) - but it doesn't belong in this thread. :wink:

    Looking forward to pictures of your studio!
     
  8. MadMax

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    How many different ways can YOU spell delay? :evil:

    Got the drawings from the Surveyor over to the county health dept. SEVERAL weeks ago... STILL no answer!

    ARRRRRRRRRGH!!!

    At any rate...

    Anyone got a "formula" or name for the studio build diary? Should I post it here in Acoustics & Design?

    Just waiting....






    ...and waiting...












    ...and waiting.

    Max
     
  9. samc

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    Studio build diary

    Hey Max,

    I think you have already started the diary right here, and the original title of the thread is more than Ok.

    Good luck,
    Sam
     
  10. MadMax

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    Well, it seems that Sam's comment stands. With everyones approval, (e.g. no one elses dis-approval) this looks to be the studio build diary...

    2/6/05:
    I got a call from the septic/plumbing contractor at 9:30 AM Saturday morning. It was a bit of a rude awakening after a 21 hour gig Friday, but a welcomed call none the less.

    It's tentatively scheduled for the contractor to come out Wednedsay morning, with a backhoe, to do a couple of test digs with the county health inspector.

    If all goes well, they could possibly issue the septic permit on the spot!

    Just a word of advice to ANYONE trying to do a similar studio build...

    Do it right. Yes, the waiting is unbelievable and absolutely frustrating, but the consequences are potentially devastating. If I went ahead and built the studio without going through the process correctly, the county could potentially have me tear the whole thing down.

    So, if all goes well Wednesday, we start that day with the septic and drain fields!

    The essentials are thus;
    I'm spec-ing the system for 4 "employees". This is the minimum size tank and field that the county will allow. (100 Gal tank with 200 feet of latteral-line)

    Hope to post the first "construction" photos either Thursday or Friday - IF I get the approval.
     
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    Here's a few images to get started with...

    These images are of the existing 2x8 wall on block and the 2x4 truss system for the roof.
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    This will be the bath, kitchen and lounge. Note that the roof/structure will be removed and replaced to conform to standard builiding code.
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    We were going to try to put a circular drive around the studio, but due to costs, the plumbing to the septic and need for additional storage space, this "bump" on the hill will hopefully become storage and a small woodshop.
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    Max
     
  12. MadMax

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    Well some of the wait is over...

    The Health Inspector came out today and did the soil samples.

    WE PASSED!!! (But barely!)

    Looks like the leach field will be around 120 feet from the tank! Thank goodness it's all downhill to the field.

    Didn't get pix... nothin' to really see.

    Permit should be ready by mid week next week.

    Till then...
    Max
     
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    An unexpected suprise awaited me when I got home from the day gig this evening...

    The inspector left a message that the permit is ready!

    YEAH!!!!

    Step one is almost complete.

    Once I pick up the permit, we can get started on the septic system.

    As soon as the system is in, we see about getting that approved.
    After approval of the system, I can get the building permit.

    Not quite sure of the order after that, but it should go something like this;

    2. Building Permit
    3. Power Co runs lines from pole - Temp Service
    4. Plumbing Co installs larger pressure tank and runs water lines from house to studio
    5. Footings dug for Bath/Lounge
    6. Footings for Storage/Woodshop
    7. Footings for studio rooms
    8. Plumbing Rough-in
    9. Framing for Bath/Lounge
    10. Electrical for Bath/Lounge
    11. Plumbing Final
    12. Solar/Generator Backup Rough-in
    13. Floors for studio rooms
    14. Walls Framed
    15. Studio Electrical Rough-in
    16. Ceiling Framing
    17. HVAC
    18. Final Electrical/Mechanical Tie-in
    19. Insulation/drywall
    20. Final Electrical/Mechanical
    21. Punch-out
    22. Certificate of Occupancy
    23. Rock-n-Roll

    FINALLY, the Saga Begins!
     
  14. MadTiger3000

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    You are one patient dude.

    You should have a little party when it's done.
     
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    The God's ARE crazy!!!!

    I can't believe this happened!

    I got home about 9:30PM last night only to find a pile of survey marker tape on my porch... Oh shit, it's not just marker tape, it's MY marker tape... it's my marker tape for my septic system AND my freakin' boundary tape from the survey I just spent $1000 and 4 months getting!

    Then I notice a note taped to my door that says; "Don't put these markings on MY property anymore!"
    ... signed by some guy who's name I'm not familiar with!

    WTF!?!

    I swear, you can't make this shit up!

    So, I carried my butt up to the local community store this morning and talked to the fella's around the coffee pot. They're all neghborhood gentlemen... at least of retirement age, or FAR better.

    I lucked up and one of them was the man who sold part of his property to the neighbor in question. He seems to agree with the rest of the guys who looked over the survey. The neighbor is mistaken, but obviously needs to be informed... without resorting to shotguns at 3 acres.

    If it weren't so unbelievable it wouldn't be funny.

    I wonder how long it's gonna take to get this mess cleared up?
     
  16. MadMax

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    2/24/05

    Friday morning of last week, I left a rather polite note in the neighbor's mailbox asking him to call me to discuss the issue of our property lines. Still nothing from the inconsiderate SOB. I got a good look this past weekend at the survey markers the moron took up.

    If this idiot is serious about how much land he thinks is his, he's in serious *%$*%^#. This fool is trying to say he owns close to 2 acres of MY land!

    (This ain't gonna be ANY fun.)

    Now I don't know if it's the stress of all this crap with the neighbor plus the day gig and my second part time gig with a production company, but I'm startin' to have some second thoughts on my studio design.

    I was working the drawings with the new calculations using 2x6 stud walls and suddenly I looked at the control room and said to myself, "Self, that room is just plain too small."

    (I got real un-nerved by all this, as I almost didn't recognize the voice. But it was me, so I calmed down a bit...)

    At any rate, I think I've been trying to put too much into the space. It's only 1200 s.f. I shouldn't really be trying to shove a control room, two iso's, a drum room AND a piano room into the space.

    I dunno.

    I've still got time before I'll have to get an engineer to OK the drawings if I redraw the whole thing.

    I think I'll try to increase the control room from ~250 s.f. to ~400 s.f. (3:1 s.f. ratio) If I kill the drum iso I can increase the overall area of the live room. Eliminating the second iso, I can let the workroom/airlock act as the second iso. That leaves me with a small(er) area for a piano room... maybe 6x9?

    A friend of mine who teaches at MTSU was telling me about a room in Nashville that had a piano room where the piano was rubber gasketed through a wall. They got the volume for the piano to "sound" via a vertical column of air. I should be able to get about 121/2 to 13 feet of ceiling height. By cutting back from my hopes of a 6-1/2 to 7 foot grand down to a 5-1/2 foot or possibly an old upright Steinway, a smaller room could work.

    I hate second guessing, but I gotta go with the gut feeling on this one. There's just too much at stake to make the control room "just big enough." It should be plenty big enough... afterall, what I'm trying to get is a mix and overdub facility to augment the mobile rig.

    I just hope that the 3:1 ratio is allocating enough space for it all to work.

    In a quandry,
    Max
     
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    2/27/05

    Just finished round one of the re-design of the studio plans.

    Walls are 2x6 w/ 4 layers of 5/8 Gypsum. 2" of gap between each floor pad. That gives me a total wall cavity of 16" and 2.5" of mass on each wall.

    Contemplating the RPG DifussorBlox for the rear wall. (Yeah it's a flat out idea rip from Fidelitorium, but since Wes did such a great job on it, I'm hoping he won't mind the lifting of his idea.)

    http://www.rpginc.com/products/diffusorblox/index.htm

    Any thoughts?The new plans are here:
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    Max,

    Talk to the Alamance County Land Records Department (possibly part of the Tax Assessor's function). Their records include xy coordinates and vectors of your lot. You may even want to see if their GIS capabilities include ortho photos which have boundary lines superimposed on the photos. You can access this stuff on-line. Here's the link to their GIS map service. Actually, it looks kind of rudimentary. I don't see orthos, not sure if even the boundary lines are there. Poke around a while and see. High speed is pretty essential when browsing GIS.

    I would use this data to try to convince your neighbor to CTFO. Oh sure, you can get the Sheriff involved, Court Orders, more surveying, etc... but at that point, you've pissed off a neighbor who will listen for any sound emanating from your hippie music shack and call the law.

    Lucky for you Alamance is quite aggressive about development and thier processes are streamlined to help you do your thing (believe it or not). You are also just a county over from Wes Lachot, whose sage advice could really save you a lot of acoustic headaches in the end.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    Todzilla,

    Yeah, GIS is GREAT! Found it about two years ago... The soil inspector originally tried to use the GIS map to locate the system, but couldn't find two of the irons. That's why I had to get the survey done.

    I downloaded all of the adjoing properties, WITH 5' topo's (they are available along with about a dozen other options), twice. About two years ago when we moved, and two weeks ago when all this crap started. Of course absolutely nothing is different... BUT, they're still showing the previous owner's name on the PITA neighbor's property too! WTF?

    I'm really trying to handle this neighbor thing the RIGHT way. e.g. If it was the other way around and I thought that someone was trying to put some type of construction on my land...

    I think that with all of the evidence I have, plus the other neighbors all agree that the survey is right, and they WANT the studio as much as I do, that we should be able to get him to back off.

    Afterall,
    1. It's just a septic system and I darn sure won't ever be building anything else down that way on the property.
    2. I want to preserve (and add) as many trees as I can. (isolation visually)
    3. I intend on putting up a 10' wooden fence, just on the tree line. (additional sound and visual isolation)

    Kind of ironic that about the time I rework the studio layout and I'm ready to start this build that Wes is no longer a moderator here. DEFINITELY gonna miss his input. Especially since I'm kinda' lifting his design from Fidelitorium.

    I emailed him yesterday and it's ony right that I at least have him review the plans and consult all the way through... Actually, I'm still hoping I can get him to do the whole project, but right now money's a bit stretched just buying all the materials.

    Stay tuned...
    Max
     
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    Max,

    Call the GIS office in Alamance and ask why their maps are so out of date. If they blame it on the Register of Deeds, remember, those are elected officials in NC and will jump when you call them.

    From the next county over...

    -Todzilla