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Michael Fossenkemper 28 July 2004

I think we need to start a group project or two. Something that we all can learn from and won't take all of our time. I'm open for suggestions. Now this can be anything from tests, measurements, whatever. We also have to take into account that people are all over. If files need to be transfered, I have a server that can handle it unless it gets crazy.

rules: Must pertain to mastering. Shouldn't cost a fortune. Shouldn't take 6 months to complete.

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Ammitsboel Wed, 07/28/2004 - 12:25

We could also do an "Analog chain greatest hits"!!

Every ME in hear should play the same 3-5 different tracks/songs over their analog chain and record it.
Then We could all hear how different our ADDA sound like!
I'm also sure that the ADDA sounds different with different operating voltages and different AC supplys.

I would sure like to hear how it sounds in USA with prism, Lavry etc....
And I'm sure that some of you would find it interesting to hear an Audio Note DAC5 in operation.

Best Regards

Michael Fossenkemper Thu, 07/29/2004 - 08:43

Anyone can participate, we just have to find something to do. I do like the jitter test if it didn't require me doing all the testing:-) Not sure if a plant will be willing to test all of our CD's either. I'll look into it a little to see.
The "everyone taking a wack" at a song could be interesting as long as it didn't get into a competition. I think that would alienate too many people if it did.
Let's keep ideas coming, i'll try and through a few in myself and then we'll vote.

iznogood Thu, 07/29/2004 - 15:07

ammitsbøl and i are doing a jitter test very soon.... we're burning 10 cd's from the same file on a batch of hhb .... on three different burners and different speeds....

we'll send them to a cd plant in germany that on of my friends work at..... and he'll test for jitter

next thing will be testing different media on the same burner...

i'm very curious to see the results

Ammitsboel Fri, 07/30/2004 - 15:20

Hi Joe,

It's not Dither, It's Jitter.
You should know the difference :lol:

I'm doing this project because I find it very important to know what compromises our sound and how to get rid of it.

In my world, electronic and mastering runs hand in hand. Afterall I spent the last 4 days on modding my Lynx AES16 card.
And I'm so glad i did, it really paid off with the best performence I've heard from any soundcard ever!!

But your idea is very fun!!
Let's do it!!! :D

Best Regards,

Michael Fossenkemper Fri, 07/30/2004 - 17:42

ok, that's 3 votes for Joe's idea.

We could also do a version like recording pit. what they did is deliver the same song to everyone. everyone mastered it and delivered it back. they put it on a Cd that only 1 person new who's was what. everyone got a copy of all the mastering passes and commented on them without know who's was who's. Seemed kind of fun.

TrilliumSound Fri, 07/30/2004 - 18:21

Michael,

This is really interesting, I think it is a terrific idea ! 8-) We can fill out something like a "report" or score of each tracks something like :

ex :
Overall =9/10 or Ranking = 2nd of the ten (hey, that is pretty good)
Stereo image = Very poor (is this mono ?) :(
Freq balance =
Musicality =

etc...

or something similar. And the one who got more positive votes could explain what he/she did in more details.

This could be fun, a good and concrete way to share ideas and approaches. This is only a suggestion.

Richard

Michael Fossenkemper Fri, 07/30/2004 - 20:37

What ever we decide to do, it's not going to be limited to a select few. The point of my idea is to include as many as who wants to participate. this can be one of many projects where everyone participates.

Ok, so i don't know the copywrite issues if we use a lot of songs like an A/B comparison. We could have a ton of songs and getting clearence might be an issue. Not to mention the burning of those CD's.

The idea of having everyone do the same song is not my idea, it's Brad Blackwood's and he did it in the rec pit so we have to give the credit to him if we decide to do this.

If we decide to do this with the one song, it won't be a compitition!!!! it's going to be a learning experience for everyone. We can see how each one approaches the master and what they used, without anyone knowing who's is who's until the end. It's not very often that an ME gets to compare their work with others on an equal playing field "the same mix". We all understand that there are different levels of equipment and experience. Now we can choose something that is relatively good to work with or we can work with something that has problems to see how it's delt with. The song can be uploaded to my server where everyone will have access to it. The resulting masters can then be uploaded back to the server or mailed. A CD will be compiled and mailed out. Everyone will listen to the CD and comment on each master (good bottom, nice midrange) trying to be positive but not mushy nice. Each master will be revealed and then the participants will list what they used.

This is a good idea. give more ideas or we can hone this one and go with it.

Ben Godin Fri, 07/30/2004 - 20:45

Michael, what you said right there is a PERFECT idea, we don't reveal who did what and each person reviews someone's work, like a blind test, and we never find out who did what but we get to see each others work and each person is assigned a review, and throught these reviews we will get to learn more about how each individual can benefit, everyone who agrees with this plan, please post 8-)

(you also have to find a place to post all of these masters, and thats a hell of alot of masters, if someone has a server with tremendous bandwidth and storage capacity, please say so)

TrilliumSound Sat, 07/31/2004 - 05:31

That's right ! No competition 8-) but fun and learning :wink: . Depends how many will participate but sure it can take some disk space. I know this place called Files Anywhere on the web, maybe you guys know this place too but here is a link to it : http://www.filesany… .

Of course there are fees but it is adequate (I have been using it myself). Maybe someone here has a server with enough space ?! That would be better and much simpler. Anyone ?

Richard

anonymous Sat, 07/31/2004 - 22:45

Hi Michael,
I just started posting here. Looks like some good folks I don't know & quite a few from other boards.

The project from Brad Blackwoods board was great.
I missed the first one but got into the second one. The funny thing is when i got the 2 cd's to listen to (23 versions of the same tune!)I taged brads work right away(keep in mind I never heard his work before, but it sounded the best). & till this day he hasn't fessed up to what he did.
It was a great learning experience not so much a competition but a studyin why & how....not so much who.

The song choise was interesting. a modern hard rock band recorded on pro tools & mixed on ssl console. It was well recorded but the bass was a bit mushy & the hi's were abit harsh. It was great example of how things sound a bit generic now adays with a few issues to fix.
I'd love to be part of this & if you need help I'm in town too.
Ed

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Michael Fossenkemper Sun, 08/01/2004 - 07:10

Welcome Ed,

Keep the votes coming... we'll wait until after the weekend for others to respond before we make the final decision.

Again, everyone is welcome to participate no matter what your experience or equipment. You won't get the benifit of this project if you don't participate.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to cover the cost of shipping to everyone, that would be great too.

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