I think we need to start a group project or two. Something that we all can learn from and won't take all of our time. I'm open for suggestions. Now this can be anything from tests, measurements, whatever. We also have to take into account that people are all over. If files need to be transfered, I have a server that can handle it unless it gets crazy.
rules: Must pertain to mastering. Shouldn't cost a fortune. Shouldn't take 6 months to complete.
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What a great idea Michael!!! I will try to think of a thing we a
What a great idea Michael!!!
I will try to think of a thing we all could do :-)
Best Regards
Great idea, although in not ...quite in league with some of the
Great idea, although in not ...quite in league with some of the MEs here, i think that i can benefit much from something of this type. Now the question is, what is the project? 8-)
We could do a jitter test! Every ME in here could burn a Redbook
We could do a jitter test!
Every ME in here could burn a Redbook Audio master and then Michael could tjeck them on his Clover? -If you are up to this Michael?
Or maybe we could get a CD plant to test our Audio Masters?
It would be nice to be able to se on a paper how well ones drive/media performed?
We could also do an "Analog chain greatest hits"!! Every ME in
We could also do an "Analog chain greatest hits"!!
Every ME in hear should play the same 3-5 different tracks/songs over their analog chain and record it.
Then We could all hear how different our ADDA sound like!
I'm also sure that the ADDA sounds different with different operating voltages and different AC supplys.
I would sure like to hear how it sounds in USA with prism, Lavry etc....
And I'm sure that some of you would find it interesting to hear an Audio Note DAC5 in operation.
Best Regards
Good ideas, what about somehting that everyone would find a grea
Good ideas, what about somehting that everyone would find a great challange, how about everyone takes a clip, that obviously has some error, and gives their own shot at mastering, then everyone posts their master and people can hear and compare, just an idea. 8-)
Hi, Could I join the group ? I think this is a great idea and t
Hi,
Could I join the group ? I think this is a great idea and this could be VERY interesting and fun as well. Hearing different gear and listening to different techniques and approaches.
Richard
Anyone can participate, we just have to find something to do. I
Anyone can participate, we just have to find something to do. I do like the jitter test if it didn't require me doing all the testing:-) Not sure if a plant will be willing to test all of our CD's either. I'll look into it a little to see.
The "everyone taking a wack" at a song could be interesting as long as it didn't get into a competition. I think that would alienate too many people if it did.
Let's keep ideas coming, i'll try and through a few in myself and then we'll vote.
Ok, sounds good to me Michael. Richard
Ok, sounds good to me Michael.
Richard
ammitsbøl and i are doing a jitter test very soon.... we're burn
ammitsbøl and i are doing a jitter test very soon.... we're burning 10 cd's from the same file on a batch of hhb .... on three different burners and different speeds....
we'll send them to a cd plant in germany that on of my friends work at..... and he'll test for jitter
next thing will be testing different media on the same burner...
i'm very curious to see the results
Yes iznogood, I'm now an oficially member of the AJSOD!! (Anti J
Yes iznogood,
I'm now an oficially member of the AJSOD!! (Anti Jitter Society Of Denmark).
GIVE JITTER... HELL!!! :twisted:
Best Regards
I'm all for a project. But dither? Come on guys we can do someth
I'm all for a project. But dither? Come on guys we can do something more fun than that! How about whomever wants to submit tracks can. We moderaters pick one each. Master it. Then we compile them on a CD with before and after of each track.
More fun?
Hi Joe, It's not Dither, It's Jitter. You should know the diffe
Hi Joe,
It's not Dither, It's Jitter.
You should know the difference :lol:
I'm doing this project because I find it very important to know what compromises our sound and how to get rid of it.
In my world, electronic and mastering runs hand in hand. Afterall I spent the last 4 days on modding my Lynx AES16 card.
And I'm so glad i did, it really paid off with the best performence I've heard from any soundcard ever!!
But your idea is very fun!!
Let's do it!!! :D
Best Regards,
Hi, I really dig Joe's idea !! Go go go ! :D
Hi,
I really dig Joe's idea !! Go go go ! :D
ok, that's 3 votes for Joe's idea. We could also do a version
ok, that's 3 votes for Joe's idea.
We could also do a version like recording pit. what they did is deliver the same song to everyone. everyone mastered it and delivered it back. they put it on a Cd that only 1 person new who's was what. everyone got a copy of all the mastering passes and commented on them without know who's was who's. Seemed kind of fun.
Michael, This is really interesting, I think it is a terrific i
Michael,
This is really interesting, I think it is a terrific idea ! 8-) We can fill out something like a "report" or score of each tracks something like :
ex :
Overall =9/10 or Ranking = 2nd of the ten (hey, that is pretty good)
Stereo image = Very poor (is this mono ?) :(
Freq balance =
Musicality =
etc...
or something similar. And the one who got more positive votes could explain what he/she did in more details.
This could be fun, a good and concrete way to share ideas and approaches. This is only a suggestion.
Richard
i really don't like joe's idea, it limits the fun to only the mo
i really don't like joe's idea, it limits the fun to only the moderators, lets find an idea that EVERYONE can participate in, or make me a moderator. 8-)
What ever we decide to do, it's not going to be limited to a sel
What ever we decide to do, it's not going to be limited to a select few. The point of my idea is to include as many as who wants to participate. this can be one of many projects where everyone participates.
Ok, so i don't know the copywrite issues if we use a lot of songs like an A/B comparison. We could have a ton of songs and getting clearence might be an issue. Not to mention the burning of those CD's.
The idea of having everyone do the same song is not my idea, it's Brad Blackwood's and he did it in the rec pit so we have to give the credit to him if we decide to do this.
If we decide to do this with the one song, it won't be a compitition!!!! it's going to be a learning experience for everyone. We can see how each one approaches the master and what they used, without anyone knowing who's is who's until the end. It's not very often that an ME gets to compare their work with others on an equal playing field "the same mix". We all understand that there are different levels of equipment and experience. Now we can choose something that is relatively good to work with or we can work with something that has problems to see how it's delt with. The song can be uploaded to my server where everyone will have access to it. The resulting masters can then be uploaded back to the server or mailed. A CD will be compiled and mailed out. Everyone will listen to the CD and comment on each master (good bottom, nice midrange) trying to be positive but not mushy nice. Each master will be revealed and then the participants will list what they used.
This is a good idea. give more ideas or we can hone this one and go with it.
Michael, what you said right there is a PERFECT idea, we don't r
Michael, what you said right there is a PERFECT idea, we don't reveal who did what and each person reviews someone's work, like a blind test, and we never find out who did what but we get to see each others work and each person is assigned a review, and throught these reviews we will get to learn more about how each individual can benefit, everyone who agrees with this plan, please post 8-)
(you also have to find a place to post all of these masters, and thats a hell of alot of masters, if someone has a server with tremendous bandwidth and storage capacity, please say so)
That's right ! No competition 8-) but fun and learning :wink:
That's right ! No competition 8-) but fun and learning :wink: . Depends how many will participate but sure it can take some disk space. I know this place called Files Anywhere on the web, maybe you guys know this place too but here is a link to it : http://www.filesany… .
Of course there are fees but it is adequate (I have been using it myself). Maybe someone here has a server with enough space ?! That would be better and much simpler. Anyone ?
Richard
I have about 2 gigs of space on mine I don't think we'll need mo
I have about 2 gigs of space on mine I don't think we'll need more than 700 meg or 1 full CD. If we pick a shortish song we could probably fit 25 versions.
ok :!: now what song?
ok :!: now what song?
Obviously, it has to be a unmastered track. :roll:
Obviously, it has to be a unmastered track. :roll:
first we have to vote to see if everyone wants to do this.
first we have to vote to see if everyone wants to do this.
i don't know how the votes will be tallied, but you have my vote
i don't know how the votes will be tallied, but you have my vote. 8-)
Count me in !
Count me in !
I'm also in for it!!
I'm also in for it!!
I'm very interested but unequivocally a novice. If you're all wi
I'm very interested but unequivocally a novice. If you're all willing to put up with an amateur, I think it would be an incredible learning experience.
Hi Michael, I just started posting here. Looks like some good fo
Hi Michael,
I just started posting here. Looks like some good folks I don't know & quite a few from other boards.
The project from Brad Blackwoods board was great.
I missed the first one but got into the second one. The funny thing is when i got the 2 cd's to listen to (23 versions of the same tune!)I taged brads work right away(keep in mind I never heard his work before, but it sounded the best). & till this day he hasn't fessed up to what he did.
It was a great learning experience not so much a competition but a studyin why & how....not so much who.
The song choise was interesting. a modern hard rock band recorded on pro tools & mixed on ssl console. It was well recorded but the bass was a bit mushy & the hi's were abit harsh. It was great example of how things sound a bit generic now adays with a few issues to fix.
I'd love to be part of this & if you need help I'm in town too.
Ed
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everyone is welcome Ed, and welcome to RO 8-)
everyone is welcome Ed, and welcome to RO 8-)
Welcome Ed, Keep the votes coming... we'll wait until after the
Welcome Ed,
Keep the votes coming... we'll wait until after the weekend for others to respond before we make the final decision.
Again, everyone is welcome to participate no matter what your experience or equipment. You won't get the benifit of this project if you don't participate.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to cover the cost of shipping to everyone, that would be great too.
Hi Michael, Depends who will ship the cd's. We could all send t
Hi Michael,
Depends who will ship the cd's. We could all send the $$ via Paypal to the sender's account (cd + package + shipping cost) before or during the project. Or we can even pay before and that will state that we are officially part of the Projek Group Member.
What do you think ? Everyone ?
Richard
...why don't we just upload it using ftp instead of paying shipp
...why don't we just upload it using ftp instead of paying shipping costs and using packages?
Time and speed. Depending on how many versions we end up with, i
Time and speed. Depending on how many versions we end up with, it could take many hours plus huge amounts of bandwidth for everyone to do it.
I'm in. Sounds like fun!
I'm in. Sounds like fun!
Dither, Jitter. I know the difference. It's just that there both
Dither, Jitter. I know the difference. It's just that there both so boring it's easy to get them confused!! :twisted:
The one reason I like different songs for each moderator is to keep it more fun and less of a competition.
And we did that once before.
I agree that opening it up to everyone to try/do is a better ide
I agree that opening it up to everyone to try/do is a better idea. So whatever you guys want to do I up for.
Ok, we're going for it. Email me at info@turtletonestudio.com an
Ok, we're going for it. Email me at info@turtletonestudio.com and i'll give you a link to download the song. I don't have the song as of yet but I hope to have it sometime tomorrow.
Ok, song is uploading. email me at info@turtletonestudio.com to
Ok, song is uploading. email me at info@turtletonestudio.com to get the info.
Hi Michael, Is there any deadline ? I suggest to rename the son
Hi Michael,
Is there any deadline ? I suggest to rename the song when mastered to upload it back (forum's user ID name) or something similar ? Well, I should have asked first... are wegoing to upload them back to the ftp server ?
Thanks !
Richard
I haven't thought of a deadline really. I don't know, how about
I haven't thought of a deadline really. I don't know, how about 2 weeks. Good idea, when you upload the song, use your RO id so we won't get confused. When you are ready to upload the song, just whip me an email so I can look out for them. thanks and have fun.
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