Call the manufacturers. Then look at the RIAA sales numbers for SACD.

Considering the quantity of SACD to hit the market and the number of total sales, it actually isn't bad. In fact, it's pretty darned good considering ow small of a niche SACD is.

To the original question, DSD native means that the machine processing DSD does not need additional processing hardware. I'm not familiar with anything that fits into this category. Sonoma requires cards (and the EMM converters), Pyramix requires the Mykerinos cards and the Genex kind of operates native, but is entirely proprietary.

Perhaps to get the numbers (sales) where Sheet wants to see them, it would be helpful for other DAW manufacturers and converter makers to support DSD (not to mention inclusion in the ASIO standard).

Hmmmmm....maybe then it might be affordable. Of course, then there would still be the people who say it sucks....oh well, screw them.

My point to all of this DSD crap is this. DSD is not the norm and never will be. MP3s are most listened to, most purchased and most bootlegged. CD sales are slowing down. The major labels aren't really into paying for mulitple releases on CD, DVD-A or SACD. This will not change.

Unless there is a super duper DSD MP3 codec, and Apple or one of the other big five are selling it, then it will remain a niche thing. Unless the OP has the clientele and the demand for DSD, he should not consider owning the gear, but maybe bumbing a loaner for evaluation/renting as needed. If this cat is just opening a personal studio, it is moot. Atleast it would be to me.

I am all for making things sound the best that they can sound. But the days of the consumers at large having discerning ears are over. It doesn't matter if it is sold as a 128kbps MP3.

moore's law, as processing capacity and efficienty gets bigger and better people could very well decide to listen to bigger file sizes. people seek high resolution quite often with video files. don't be a futurist, you'll fail in your assumptions. i can't speak for the future of DSD in particular but higher resolution outside of mp3 is very plausible. not that DSD is really higher resolution per se...

CD sales aren't the only thing slowing down (if that's even a viable statistic at the moment) illegal downloading is also slowing down dramatically.

but wait a second, what does this have to do with my question? so you throw a little tantrum because you don't believe in DSD, and thus i can't ask questions about it here? i have to call the manufacturer?

anyways so cucco it just means i don't need a DSP PCI card then right? so would the only difference between DSD running native as opposed to one that runs through the editing programs like sonoma be more burden on CPU processing or what? would any types of functionality suffer, or would that depend by and large on the capabilities of whatever native program i would have to use.?

andshesbuyingastairway wrote: people seek high resolution quite often with video files. don't be a futurist, you'll fail in your assumptions.

CD sales aren't the only thing slowing down (if that's even a viable statistic at the moment) illegal downloading is also slowing down dramatically.

1. Video files are another matter. A blocky, distorted, fuzzy image is an obstacle to everyone. An MP3 is obviously not an obstacle to the masses, as they have been the primary purchases for the last four years. Not everyone can tell a difference between an MP3 and CD audio either.

2. Illegal downloads. Sin is sin, and the world from day one has been progressively worse. The human condition never changes. Crime will alway be here. Stealing music will to. I do not see how anyone can confirm ANY statistic for sharing music, or stealing it. There is no way to determine this scientifically.

andshesbuyingastairway wrote: anyways so cucco it just means i don't need a DSP PCI card then right? so would the only difference between DSD running native as opposed to one that runs through the editing programs like sonoma be more burden on CPU processing or what? would any types of functionality suffer, or would that depend by and large on the capabilities of whatever native program i would have to use.?

Yes, that's what I assume it would mean. However, there are no such PC or Mac systems capable of this. Not because it's too tough on the CPU, but because there's no driver specification which includes DSD.

find it kind of odd that various companies would market an incompatible DSD native format in their converters. ie. mytek 8X192

I really think you are confusing a lot of stuff here- As I said in your other thread about DSD, there are plenty of DAWs that handle DSD. Pro Tools isn't one of them and there aren't any native DAWs that can deal with it. To work with DSD requires special hardware. As of now, your only choices are Pyramix, Sonoma, and SADiE. Sonoma and SADiE work with what has been referred to as DSD native as it doesn't convert to a multi-bit word. Pyramix converts and/or uses DXD (their name for 384Khz sample rate). Purists would argue as to which is better.

Mytek converters can run DSD, but you need to have a platform to record to. Are you going to Genex or Sonoma? or something else? If you want to work with DSD, be prepared to spend some serious money and be aware of the technical limitations of processing a DSD signal.

--Ben

so you're saying DSD natives must have one of the DSD editor software programs but it doesn't need the PCI cards to go along with it

Ok, this has to stop. This guy is obviously a jack ass, who is playing with us. What was the dudes name that was hitting the forums before? He was asking stupid tail chasing questions here, gearslutz, prosoundweb, etc.

If he ever posts in Live Sound he is as good as deleted.