I was looking at one of their kits...the FET compressor stereo link kit

Good review...borderline shilling...but nonetheless, good review.;)

You could have included an idea of the total build time?

BTW - I like candy.

Sean G, post: 439807, member: 49362 wrote: I was looking at one of their kits...the FET compressor stereo link kit

Good review...borderline shilling...but nonetheless, good review.;)

You could have included an idea of the total build time?

BTW - I like candy.

Sean G,

Thank you for replying! Their FET stuff looks quite nice. The new rack versions coming out will be on my list. I am thinking I want a nasty, rude blue stripe first :)

Thank you for commenting on my review. I do slightly issue with the borderline shilling comment.(I also know you are a moderator on a forum of which I am a guest, and your job is to spot shady reviews etc) I realize my review is very positive - but there isn't an untrue statement there or opinion I don't truly hold. There is a reason I've only put three or four reviews of equipment on the web. Taking time out of my day when I could be doing other things to write a semi-lengthy review for others to see is only something I will do in two extremes - very good experiences or very bad experiences. I believe both are cases that warrant sharing with others. I do realize that I am part of the problem, which is to say that a lot of folks will only write a review when they are wow'd by a piece of equipment, which leads to mostly very positive reviews out there. It can make it hard to believe them.

I have to say that I don't believe someone can "borderline" shill. To shill means you are paid or otherwise an accomplice of the seller to generate business. So you either are or you aren't. In reality, the positivity of a review cannot take you closer or further away from being a shill (paid or otherwise accomplice of a vendor.) Yes, a shill will make an overwhelmingly positive review which in turn leads some people to suspect whether or not this person is or is shilling. I suppose that is what you mean. I just want to clarify that that is not the case here(which is also something a shill would say... I digress) I suppose there is no way I can prove that to you unfortunately, so readers will always have to decide that. I do wish small companies to succeed who make great equipment. Part of this is my solidarity in thinking as I too own a small gear making business(for guitars). I know the passion and sacrifice it takes to bring something to the market. I don't think that spreading the word(if those words are true) is a dishonest thing to do.

Is the main criticism here that my review is too positive sounding? Not objective enough? I would sincerely like to change my methods in the future if my review is being interpreted as anything less than honest. This Gold has so far continued to wow me every time I try it on something. That is not something I have experienced with any other preamp I've tried(I've used around a dozen varieties). I realize that this has contributed to my overwhelmingly positive review. Perhaps using it over more time, I will find it's flaws and that could make for a better review. I should have waited longer to review the Gold, as I can see that I am like the guy or girl with a new significant other who is praising them at their hangout before they've really spent a lot of time together. However, as an inherently lazy person, I used my recent enthusiasm to drive me to write the review that may have otherwise never come to fruition.

As for the build time - you are absolutely correct - I completely omitted that by mistake. I would say that if you take your time as you should, you can expect to be done in about 3 hours time(breaks for candy included). I think I went slightly under that on this one because I had built a Copper last week and the actual PCB boards are the same. You simply change the values, types of components and omit some and short some connections.

So, consider your savings for a built kit vs a DIY kit. I think there is a $200 dollar difference. I certainly think my time is worth $66+ an hour, so the savings are worth it. On top of the fact that these can be had for around $600 dollars for a built kit. That's already a better value than others in the market. I own Phoenix DRS1r's, A Designs P-1's and a Vintech Audio 573. The Hairball stuff is right up there and actually exceeds in some ways. Just how my ears hear it, though. :)

My goal is to be as transparent as possible. I hope this post has helped prove that.

Thank you for continuing the discussion on my review!

P.S. - It's good to be in the company of a fellow candy lover... Enjoy!

Here are the clips of the Elements Gold.
Acoustic Guitars = https://app.box.com/s/9m6i1gr0r3z7tqzdp31wgy5aa873v940

Funky Acoustic Guitars = https://app.box.com/s/98zh24i4lr59ox4ozzlqkah6dlh35lov

Jazz Electric Guitars = https://app.box.com/s/n8ccc0mvp78ug4zzr4y2qy7hkk2ud67y

Electric Guitars 1 = https://app.box.com/s/lyaz2eysq9n6no4q8yxd9ggvrn9m00mq

Electric Guitars 2 = https://app.box.com/s/98jmxp7a0mt64l25xjq47kdgdsyysqmr

Electric Guitars 3 = https://app.box.com/s/ullvykf2wosewj6090a00vydclqw19zv

Snare Brushes = https://app.box.com/s/hqpgdd2cs1mmohh9eck4whnxf4cc4mod

Bass DI = https://app.box.com/s/x19omo8tzj5g46o3dzc2jukzp5544ynm

achase4u, post: 439816, member: 37933 wrote: Thank you for commenting on my review. I do slightly issue with the borderline shilling comment.(I also know you are a moderator on a forum of which I am a guest, and your job is to spot shady reviews etc)

Sean G, post: 439807, member: 49362 wrote: Good review...borderline shilling...but nonetheless, good review.;)

My comments regarding borderline shilling were tongue-in-cheek and were meant to be taken in jest...thats why I used the winky face at the end of the sentence.

But on a serious note, RO is a most reliable resource for information many people turn to when searching for answers related to audio and recording. As this resource usually ranks high amongst internet search engines and SEOs' for various audio and recording related topics, we always try to ensure that that information that is posted is unbiased and most importantly, factually correct, whilst taking into account various points of view from those who have had experience using the product from their own first-hand account and user experience.

A large percentage of internet searches relating to audio recording gear and related products are from those who are researching a product brand or a particular piece of gear to attain knowledge on or about the brand, product, the quality in terms of build and how it performs, how the product may or may not suit their needs, how it competes amongst other products in its category and price point, as well as to gain information from product reviews and first-hand user accounts from those that are currently using or have used the product in the past, to make informed buying decisions with a view to purchase if it meets or exceeds their own expectations or needs.

RO encourages unbiased opinion and honest, factual reviews of brands or products for those reasons mentioned above. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for other sites or forums on the same topic where shilling blatantly occurs and certain high-profile members are known to promote particular brands, products and services over others, especially from their so-called 'leading authorities' on the subject or well-known, outspoken members on their sites, whose opinions are far reaching and taken by others, especially those with lesser knowledge on the subject or who may be new to audio, as gospel or fact.

These people are often rewarded by the brands they openly promote with free products in lieu of endorsing that particular brand of hardware or plug-in over others or in some cases, cash-for-comment for positive promotion of the brand or product. Some actually make a business out of it.

We don't have to mention names here, but it is a well known fact it does happen on other sites, and especially one in particular. RO does not condone this which is why when such blatant shilling occurs the posts are immediately deleted. Every now and then, and this is not directed at you, new members join the site solely with the intent purpose to use RO to promote their product brand or service or name-drop in threads and in most cases are never are seen of or heard again, without further contributing to RO. There is a dedicated classifieds section on RO specifically designed for advertising and promotion of goods and services, as well as dedicated advertising space on the site where product manufacturers can pay to promote their brand or product, just as they would in any form of media.

The membership base of RO and the forum here have a higher degree of integrity. Many members of RO have dedicated much of their lives to their particular field of interest and have contributed much to the craft. The information they openly and freely share to others, in particular new members and vistors that come to the forum cannot be measured.
This higher level of integrity means that the information that you receive here can be relied upon as fact, most evidently received from trusted sources, many of whom are specialists in their particular field within the audio and recording realm.

Honest user reviews are most welcome, in fact, they are encouraged if its factual and the intent of the review is to give someone researching that particular type of product or brand a first-hand account from a users perspective, whether that be a positive or negative user experience. On the same token we don't wish for those that want to use RO as a platform to post a review just to bad-mouth a particular product or brand they don't particularly like either. Reviews are how we all gain knowledge about a product without actually using it ourself, be it positive or negative in its aspect.

If my comments caused offense, then I apologise, but they we not personally directed as an attack on you by any means.
I thought you may have gathered from my light-hearted approach, and in particular my use of the term "I like candy" as an indicator of the tone of my post and my angle of jest.;)

- Sean.

Sean,

Sean G, post: 439820, member: 49362 wrote: My comments regarding borderline shilling were tongue-in-cheek and were meant to be taken in jest...thats why I used the winky face at the end of the sentence.

So often in text only situations we must rely on assumptions or clarification of what people's inflections are in a comment. I simply assumed wrong, and I sincerely apologize. I thought that there might be some slight doubt as to the authenticity and intention of my post, which I now know was never the case. I mistook the intention of your comment. I had thought that the smiley face and "good review" comment was in spite of me looking like a shill - not part of a tongue in cheek comment. Truly though, as I said before, I only took slight issue with it and I was not offended at all. I do apologize. I appreciate your informed and thoughtful response here. I like an open conversation of ideas that everyone can learn from. I am hoping my experience helps users who are curious about the claims this company makes about the sound of their products come to some sort of conclusion. I myself searched before purchasing only to find a little information here and there. What sold me was the clips on their site. Once I had the units in my rack and tried them, I knew how I felt about them(very good!)

Sean G, post: 439820, member: 49362 wrote: A large percentage of internet searches relating to audio and recording gear and related products are from those who are researching a product brand or a particular piece of gear to attain knowledge on or about the brand, product, the quality in terms of build and how it performs, how the product may or may not suit their needs, how it competes amongst other products in its category and price point, as well as to gain information from product reviews and first-hand user accounts from those that are currently using or have used the product in the past, to make informed buying decisions with a view to purchase if it meets or exceeds their own expectations or needs.

RO encourages unbiased opinion and honest, factual reviews of brands or products for those reasons mentioned above. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for other sites or forums on the same topic where shilling blatantly occurs and certain high-profile members are known to promote particular brands, products and services over others, especially from so-called 'leading authorities' on the subject or well-known, outspoken members on their sites whose opinion is far reaching and taken by others, especially those with lesser knowledge on the subject or who may be new to audio, as gospel or fact.
These people are often rewarded by the brands they openly promote with free products in lieu of endorsing that particular brand of hardware or plug-in over others or in some cases cash-for-comment for positive promotion of the brand. Some actually make a business out of it.

I have had bad experiences at the "other" site you speak of, and yes I try to avoid that place. My rare posts on that site are only in hopes of helping the silent majority of viewers who genuinely value someone elses opinion.

It is unfortunate that others make a business of dishonest reviews. I am all about honest opinions and facts whenever possible. I think that goal is for the betterment of the community as a whole.

I enjoy this forum as a place where I can learn and even share what limited experience I have with others. I don't post often, but that's mostly because I don't want to spout off about anything I don't really know about.

No offense taken :-) I mistook and misread your comment. Thank you for reading my review. I hope you can let me know what their FET kit is like if you decide to try it.

-Aaron

achase4u, post: 439823, member: 37933 wrote: I enjoy this forum as a place where I can learn and even share what limited experience I have with others. I don't post often, but that's mostly because I don't want to spout off about anything I don't really know about.

RO is the best place to find information about this craft on the web not just because of the reasons I mentioned above in my previous post, but most importantly, because of the members who are part of the RO family. You will find that we treat each other with respect both for the knowledge we each contribute in our own way to the site, our different points of view on topics and to each other as members of the craft. That is something that is not found in many places on the web nowdays and contributes much to what makes RO what it is.

Here you will find that there are many different points of view on many topics which makes for very interesting and at times robust discussions, but at the end of the day we are all here to learn from each other and further the craft. And what better place to do so than here on RO...a problem based learning forum dedicated to just that purpose.

Its good to have you with us Aaron...and I hope you learn much from the forum and the wide range of topics it brings to the table.

(y)

Sean G, post: 439826, member: 49362 wrote: RO is the best place to find information about this craft on the web not just because of the reasons I mentioned above in my previous post, but most importantly, because of the members who are part of the RO family. You will find that we treat each other with respect both for the knowledge we each contribute in our own way to the site, our different points of view on topics and to each other as members of the craft. That is something that is not found in many places on the web nowdays and contributes much to what makes RO what it is.

Here you will find that there are many different points of view on many topics which makes for very interesting and at times robust discussions, but at the end of the day we are all here to learn from each other and further the craft. And what better place to do so than here on RO...a problem based learning forum dedicated to just that purpose.

Its good to have you with us Aaron...and I hope you learn much from the forum and the wide range of topics it brings to the table.

It sounds like the place for me! I appreciate the welcome and I intend to get my learn on. Thank you!

Thank you for taking the time to post your comments.
I found your post to be informative; could you tell us the total number of hours you have in the build, as well as a "complexity" rating for those who are adept at electronics and who are confident enough in their skills to undertake a project like this?

DonnyThompson, post: 439836, member: 46114 wrote: Thank you for taking the time to post your comments.
I found your post to be informative; could you tell us the total number of hours you have in the build, as well as a "complexity" rating for those who are adept at electronics and who are confident enough in their skills to undertake a project like this?

Of course! I am glad to contribute.

Although I was too excited and engrossed to time myself accurately, I think it took me 3 hours to complete, including a healthy 20 minute break. As far as complexity, I would say that it is about 3 for those who are adept at this sort of thing. It's no terribly complex. There are no daughter or sub boards to be mounted except for the Grayhill stepped gain option if you choose it. That is probably the most difficult part of the project because of the sub mini resistor size and packing them into a small PCB. It took me about 15 minutes to do that part.

Really it's just about placing standard resistors, capacitors of a few types, switches and transformers. No big deal. The only thing that took some sleuthing was the capacitors. You'll have to do some cross referencing to find the smaller types of capacitors and where they go. They aren't labeled as easily as say the electrolytic caps. They have the tiny number code.

Thanks for posting that info. :)

DonnyThompson, post: 439855, member: 46114 wrote: Thanks for posting that info. :)

My pleasure!