if it was that easy...

On average you should expect to get zero dollars an hour. You will be getting paid in experience instead. The piece of paper from full sail wont mean much. That being said I am most likely going to be attending full sail, but will be looking at it as a learning experience as opposed to an investment on a degree that is going to land me that high paying job...

Full Sail

I would recomend a 4 year program so you can get a degree. there is nothing wrong with full sail but i don't believe it is a bachelor degree. If you go to a school for four years you will receive a Bachelors which can go a long way if you decide to get out of business. As far as making money out of college, don't even think about it. I was lucky, I interned during school and got a paid job at a studio with 6 months left of college. However, eventhough it is paid I still have to side job like crazy to make any money. As far as other schools, check out columbia college chicago. That is where I went and they have a great program, good teachers and you still get a 4 year degree. Chicago is also a very good town as far as studios go.

Full Sail offers an Associate of Science degree in the recording arts, and a Bachelor of Science degree in Business (which they tailor around the music business as much as possible). You go to school between 30 -40 hrs per week, and it is an accelerated program. You can get your Associate degree in one year, or your can get both at the same time in two years. It is a fully accredited college, and all the financial assistance that you would be eligible for at a major University is available to you at Full Sail. They have a job placement program that is supposed to be one of the best out there. Right now, they have almost 4000 students enrolled.

Recording engineers can expect to earn anywhere for $10 per hour and up ... depending on the demand for their services and recent credits ..

4000 students enrolled.

Isn't the market over-saturated enough?

The 4000 students are not all in the recording arts program. They also have a film school and some students only take the business courses. Some are mainly studying live sound.

But I see your point. The thing is, the market may be crowded - but not with truly excellent engineers. Even after an education such as Full Sail, many people just don't have the ears, judgement, personality, or talent to be able to be successful.

Once you graduate, if you are looking to get into a larger studio you will most likely start as an intern/runner. The basically means you will run and get lunch, dinner or whatever the artists, engineers in the studio need. 6 years ago these folks made about $7 to $9 an our in L.A. and worked 12 to 14 hours a day.

You then move up as an assistant and it's all luck and ears from there.

This is just from folks I know that have done the same thing. Do you really need the FullSail education? Mmmm. not sure pretty pricey and it is NOT accredited like a normal college, if you ever want to leave the music industry for a corporate job the degree won't fly.

bloud wrote: it is NOT accredited like a normal college, if you ever want to leave the music industry for a corporate job the degree won't fly.

Sorry to burst the ol' bubble there friend but it IS an accredited school just like a college. and i don't think most kids that go to full sail want to be apart of the corporate world anyway, that's why they go to full sail.

not to mention the hands on learning which is about the ONLY way to actually learn all that stuff.

No bubble burst here. I am a graduate of FullSail (Digital Media Degree) and while it is accredited by an organization, it is not accredited by the big 4 or 5 national recogonized organizations. This means you can't transfer your credits from FullSail to a normal college or universtity. Trust me I know.

I think you agree that the recording industry is not easy to break into and people do have to make a living to survive. If for whatever reason you don't make it, you should leave yourself an out. Especially when you have 20k+ in loans to pay off.

Being in all that debt and making no money is not a recipe for easy living. And this industry is so topsy-turvy that applying a traditional concept like "college" to all of this ever-changing craziness is - in my opinion (FLAME SHIELD UP!), a little weird. If you're going to be a doctor, please, PLEASE go to school, but if you're going to be recording engineer, it isn't an absolute must. Why go through the Full Sail when you're still going to wind up in the school of hard knocks anyway? Cut to the chase, I say.

I know there are some Full Sail grads on this board that are glad they went, but this is an outsider's opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

As for what you *should* do? Well, I'd skip the whole school thing, get REALLY familiar with PT and all the gear that you can, record some local bands to get your feet wet, then start begging and pleading to make the best cup of coffee your local studio owners have ever had. And by the way, you're a hell of a floor-sweeper.

In contrast, I have heard of several guys who went there for live audio training, and landed killer jobs with Claire Bros. and the like. One guy said there's easily 10-15 times more students in recording than in live sound. But that may be a fish story, I don't know.

Anyway, there are tons of great books, boards like this, and just plain old trial and error to get you started. Once you know your stuff pretty well, and can work fast, just show off your drive and determination, don't take no for an answer, and you'll succeed.

I never went to any type of recording school, and I never interned for anyone. Both of them are still valid paths to becoming a good engineer.

Most high school students who are about to graduate will not have any idea whatsoever as to how to record a single note on a high end setup. The hands-on experience and the foundation of sound theory and the application of basic recording techniques that they can learn at a recording school will definitely help most any kid who is determined to be an audio engineer.

While it is not absolutely necessary that they attend a school, it will sure help them learn all the basics that they will need in their chosen career. There is absolutely nothing "weird" about it. That's like saying to a learning chef "Hey - it's kinda weird that you're going to cullinary classes. You could still cook on your own even without that crap." Or to a stuntman "Man, you don't need any training - just get out there and act like it hurts when you get blown up."

How anyone can discount the value of an education in your chosen profession is beyond me.

well try out http://www.recordingconnection.com
the course is very cheap and the best thing an actual commercial working studio is your school and you get to choose it yourself...one on one training.... you get to work on commercial projects as well while training...and the people the music producers the singers other musicians they all see you working and who knows one of them also might keep you as his personal engineer and msot of the students gets the job in the same studio they get trained...at the end you get a diploma as well as an Experience certificate which is the most important thing.... not only this they will help you in job placement for years...hope u like that link.... i would surely do that course but its only available for USA and Canada...not for international students... and its very affordable i guess...

if u would like to get trained at your home try
http://www.audiomasterclass.com/.... its an online course for Recording Techniques and Music Technology.... two components...at the end of hte course you will have to give examination and if u pass you will recieve a diploma.... Accredited by City & Guilds of London Institute of sound engineering...
its a london 1820 part3 qualification, officially recognized and accredited UK qualification.
1820 Part 3 is a high-level qualification equivalent in standard to HNC or the first year of a degree course... which makes you a pro recording engineer as well music technology knowledge upto to pro level... hope u find the link usefull

How anyone can discount the value of an education in your chosen profession is beyond me.

To clarify: Discount education? Not in the least. Discount formal education? You betcha.

If you're a chef, a teaspoon of salt is a teaspoon of salt for all eternity. If you're a doctor, the human body doesn't get updated over time. If you're a geologist, rocks is rocks. But if you're in the recording industry, technology is constantly in flux, and the chances that what you learned in school will be out of date by the time you get out are much higher.

Still, don't ignore education. Books are education. This site is education. Experience is incredible education.

As I stated, a formal education is not absolutely necessary to be good at something. Again, I never went to any recording school, and I own a professional studio and a small record label. The artists I produce receive regular radio airplay on local and regional stations. But there are flaws in your argument.

The human body may not ever change, but the world of medicine and medical technology changes daily, even more so than recording technology. That is why people who have been doctors for years are often constantly attending special continuing educational seminars and schools. Their education never stops.

The same thing applies to geology. The definition, techniques, and education of a geologist today is far different from a geologist 10 years ago.

Of course, the same thing applies to recording technology. Just as the human body stays the same, so do the basic principles of sound and music theory (with few exceptions). We will all have to continue our education to keep abreast of the constant changes in technology.

But that in itself is actually a very good reason for a young aspiring engineer to attend a school like Full Sail. Do you know that they allow graduates of their recording arts program to audit any courses in the program for free - for life? That's right. If you graduate from their school, and 10 years down the road, you need to update your skills in using new technology, you can go through any of the courses they offer for FREE. That way you always keep up with the changing technology.

Just as there is no way that I would discount the value of books and experience (which happen to be the core of my education), it is simply illogical for you to discount a "formal" education, especially for the reasons you have given.

You've got a point, but let me say mine more clearly: unlike medicine or geology, there are giant shifts in the fundamentals of this industry nearly every year. Spending a year in formal educational circles means to me that you're one year behind the latest stuff. I don't want to audit any courses in the insulated environment of a college campus. I would rather get my hands dirty in a real-world situation.

BUT! that's just me. I never read the manual until I've broken it twice. I take things apart without having the slightest idea how to put them back together. I get myself lost on purpose and make a game out of finding the highway again. Because of that mindset, I make no bones about my college education being completely useless, and I happily admit that I carry a grudge the size of Kansas on my shoulder about it. But even if I'm full of crap - and I often am - we both agree that you don't need a degree to make records. I'm so much of a buck-the-system guy that I want to dive in a make mistakes. Others - my wife included - don't see it that way. Godspeed to all involved.

Friends?

PS: Whenever I talk about this, I think about the days when being a studio engineer meant you actually had an engineering degree. Not to be an elitist (I don't have an engineering degree, either), but my, how times have changed.

Of course we're friends.

I don't think you or I have said anything out of line to each other - just debating the pros and cons of a certain situation. That's one of the best things about forums like this.

Full Sail comments

Sup!!!

I just have some insights for the comments you guys have on full sail....I am enrolling sometime in 2005 still preparing and planning on the move down there....But anyway

I just wanted to say Full Sail is an internationally known school. I have been doing research on schools that have recording classes and Full Sail tops everyone of them by leaps and bounds.....I do however agree with the comment about you don't need full sail to get into the recording business and either way your gonna end up in the school of hard knocks...I personally have had a taste of the music business as a songwriter and as a Scouting agent and it is harsh but thats the business........However.....I also personally think that going to full sail will give you a massive jump start. here is why. First you will get to work with people going into the same business as you....So you will be instantly be Networking with TO BE producers/Engineers. so that means your gonna start getting connections...and having been in the biz myself connections can go a long way if you use them right......Secondly i do also agree with the comment on searching for a music gig that Certificate aint gonna mean shit. Studio's and labels don't care what you have been educated on. They care on what you sound like and what you can do with your mind and ears.....BUT by going to full sail you will be expanding your Mind and ideas by learning new theories and expanding your knowledge in recording and Engineering....Full Sail will do nothing for you if you don't want to do anything with it....Full sail is not for the degree its for the experience and newly found knowledge.......You have to want to succeed in your Feild of the entertainment business.......You can't expect to come out of full Sail getting a 1 million doller paying gig.....it aint gonna happen...You have to know how to market yourself and your ideas to the public.......

I also think those people dissing full sail because they have gotten nothing out of if are retarded you can't blame full sail on your own lack of ambitousness and knowledge of how to be successfull in the Entertainment business......The world is not out to get you.......Your out to get the world..........You will be the cause of your own success or failure not your neighbor......

JP

I go to fullsail right now and am in the recording arts degree and you learn alot and it is worth the price you pay... fullsail is well known throughout the industry for what they do, but it is all about who you know and making oppurtunities for yourself as someone posted earlier you will be someones biatch when you first get out but you would do that around another job because you would get paid very little if anything at all most interns work 3 or 4 days a week for about 4-8 hours a day the more you give the easier to move up but dont expect to go to any school for recording arts and expect to come out making big bucks youll make enough to live off of and you have to take your time and move up... if you go to a 4 year school for recording arts everyone that starts fullsail 3 years ahead of you will be making there way in the industry and if you look at living expenses and everything else fullsail isnt much more than a 4 year university is...so i hoped i helped you with your question

FULLSAIL

I go to fullsail right now and am in the recording arts degree and you learn alot and it is worth the price you pay... fullsail is well known throughout the industry for what they do, but it is all about who you know and making oppurtunities for yourself as someone posted earlier you will be someones biatch when you first get out but you would do that around another job because you would get paid very little if anything at all most interns work 3 or 4 days a week for about 4-8 hours a day the more you give the easier to move up but dont expect to go to any school for recording arts and expect to come out making big bucks youll make enough to live off of and you have to take your time and move up... if you go to a 4 year school for recording arts everyone that starts fullsail 3 years ahead of you will be making there way in the industry and if you look at living expenses and everything else fullsail isnt much more than a 4 year university is...so i hoped i helped you with your question

re: Full Sail recording school.

Well...... at the risk of stirring the honeypot (I have no idea what that means, but I guess I made up a new expression), I feel obliged to offer this counteropinion. Take it with the proverbial grain of salt. All sides have presented their opinion, so there should always be a counteropinion to balance things out because life aint always peaches and cream.

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Putting the actual "educational quality" of Full Sail aside, any student should have serious reservations about going to that school strictly on ethical grounds for their role in attempting to get a web site shut down because former students were posting opinions about their educational experiences there.

Any school that sleazy is not worthy of your money.... in my humble opinion.

The following web site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.fullsailsucks.com

is an archive of the former http://www.fullsailsucks.com web site which went out of business... Thankfully its contents got archived at this site, and I suggest anyone who wants to go there puruse these archives for awhile to make your own more informed decision.

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...etc.. etc...

But that site is people who are like some kids at fullsail now they most likeley had a bad experience because they dont have common since, arent cut out for this industry, or they could just be like the people who miss as much time as they can without failing for attendance. Just because they graduated from this school doesnt mean they obtained everyhting they should have, So with that being said.... fullsail might not be for you but at the same time just because somebody else didnt enjoy it doesnt mean that they should bash the school when ultimately the school didnt do wrong its the person for everyone person that doesnt like fullsail there are 50 that loved it

Columbia College in Chi Town

While I realize that it is very possible to pursue a career in the recording industry without any kind of schooling in audio, I think that if you do decide to attend an audio program, it should be at a four-year accredited school as opposed to a program like Full Sail. I will be graduating from Columbia College Chicago this spring (audio recording) and I have absolutly no regrets about spending the last few years at this school. Here, in addition to all the hands on stuff in the truely awsome facilities, you are able to get deep inside audio theory and practice. The instructors all teach part time and work in the industry full time so learning from their experiences is great. I have been able to set up two internships (one last summer, one starting in a week) and while I think they took me on more for my personality and references than my education, I think it will be my strong knowledge of audio I gained from Columbia that will ultimately put me ahead of the competition when trying to make the jump to paying gigs. In other words, I'm not here for the BA (which as others noted, is a good fallback), I'm here to get the most out of an education in audio in order to compete in this over-saturated field.

Re: Columbia College in Chi Town

CasJams wrote: I will be graduating from Columbia College Chicago this spring (audio recording) and I have absolutly no regrets about spending the last few years at this school. Here, in addition to all the hands on stuff in the truely awsome facilities, you are able to get deep inside audio theory and practice.

Most trade colleges definately suck insofar as their lack of depth in curriculum, a fact they gloss over in their slick high budget advertisements (take ITT-Tech for example not to mention the trade audio schools).... but one advantage that they do have is in terms of facilities and gear. These trade schools often sink their limited budget into buying top of the line equipment which is all part of the fishing hook to draw prospective students in who will be mesmorized by all the technical amenities offered.

On the otherhand, traditional colleges have a more comprehensive curriculum, but their technical facilities leave something to be desired. Columbia College of Sound definately seems to have a nice program.... but they dont look like they can even come close to competing with the trade schools in the equipment department. The list of quality outboard equipment seems to be minimal, and I see you've got a tired old Neve console there (uhh oh, I just committed blasphemy), and some small Midases, plus an API legacy and I think some ProTools stuff.... which I suppose really isnt too bad... I've seen other programs at different schools make do with alot less than that..... but still.... I dont know if thats sufficient equipment to be training kids to deal with todays modern consoles and digital recording methods.

Re: Columbia College in Chi Town

CasJams wrote: I will be graduating from Columbia College Chicago this spring (audio recording) and I have absolutly no regrets about spending the last few years at this school. Here, in addition to all the hands on stuff in the truely awsome facilities, you are able to get deep inside audio theory and practice.

Most trade colleges definately suck insofar as their lack of depth in curriculum, a fact they conveniently gloss over in their slick high budget advertisements (take ITT-Tech for example not to mention the trade audio schools).... but one advantage that they do have is in terms of facilities and gear. These trade schools often sink their limited budget into buying top of the line equipment which is all part of the fishing hook to draw prospective students in who will be mesmorized by all the technical amenities offered.

On the otherhand, traditional colleges have a more comprehensive curriculum, but their technical facilities leave something to be desired. Columbia College of Sound definately seems to have a nice program.... but they dont look like they can even come close to competing with the trade schools in the equipment department. The list of quality outboard equipment seems to be minimal, and I see you've got a tired old Neve console there (uhh oh, I just committed blasphemy), and some small Midases, plus an API legacy and I think some ProTools stuff.... which I suppose really isnt too bad... I've seen other programs at different schools make do with alot less than that..... but still.... I dont know if thats sufficient equipment to be training kids to deal with todays modern consoles and digital recording methods.

I have found the facilities at Columbia College to be more than adequate to learn on. They just completely renovated the audio department here last year and it now includes three control rooms (API legacy... awsome, PT Control 24... cool, and the neve... eh.) The outboard gear is plentiful (dbx's, 1178s, la2a's, verbs, delays, everything you need plus some other cool stuff) and the mic selection is very large. I transferred here from the audio program at Indiana University and their facilities were CRAP. Their program was CRAP as well. What I'm saying is at columbia, they do have more than sufficient equipment to learn on, but they don't just teach us how to use THIS equipment, they teach us how to know how this type of equipment works so we can go into any studio and figure out the room in a timely fashion.

Is it hard to get into FullSail? My grades are like B's and C's. I'm getting an internship at a recording studio set up for first semester senior year and I've been asked to sign onto a small underground label in the UK for techno and whatnot. What do they look for? I'm also a Junior in Highschool.

full sail

Its easy to get into fullsail grades in high school dont matter... for the people saying going to a 4 year accredited college is smarter tell me why?
1.) Full Sail is an accredited school
2.)Our teachers are also professionals in the industry
3.) are gear is a heck of alot better than any gear that is at any 4 year college
4.) no matter where you go you are gonna have to start from the bottom and work your way up with fullsail we just get a 3 year head start on you
5.) if you add up your living expenses for 4 years compared to one it is the same amount as any other college
6.)Full sail is the most respected school in the industry
7.)I dont have to waste 10 grand taking gen ed classes that i passed in high school

if you want more reasons i can give them to you and for the guy that wants to go there just go to http://www.fullsail.com or call them at 1=800-226-7625 they will give you any information you want on the school

Re: full sail

melo wrote: Its easy to get into fullsail grades in high school dont matter... for the people saying going to a 4 year accredited college is smarter tell me why?

I agree with just about everything you wrote.... however I'll address the underlined quote above in regards to why a 4 year program is 'better'.

.... It all depends of course what your idea of "better" is.... Out of all the points you listed, the one thing you didnt cover was overall quality of education. 4 year schools allow for more comprehensive curricculum. Trade schools try real hard to provide accelerated programs, and the one area they succeed is by eliminating all of the useless childrens courses aka 'general studies' courses... However, you still can't realistically squeeze 4 full years of education into a 1 year trade program, no matter how intense that program might be.

In addition, many colleges allow people to have "real" majors such as electrical engineering (EE) or computer science (CS), with recording engineering being a minor. While other 4 year colleges also reciprocally allow you to minor in electrical engineering or computer science while majoring in recording engineering....... and THAT is the difference between a trade school versus a 4 year school. Are trade school graduates trained to rip open an SSL or Neve console or other outboard equipment and repair it? Not likely....

Having a minor in electrical engineering or majoring in EE with a minor in recording engineering puts the student so far ahead of the trade schools in terms of overall knowledge..... that well..... you really cannot compare an electrical engineers knowledge to a recording "engineers" knowledge.... This gives the student a back-up plan for life since if he can't score a job in a studio, or maybe if the student just decides that he doesnt want to do recording as a living but yet they still want to work in the technical aspects of the field..... the 4 year college major who studied EE or CS can always get a job with an equipment manufacturer and he'll end up designing the audio equipment instead of using it.... and probably make a hell of alot more money to boot.

Ummm

Hey, I have a couple questions for the experts in this buisness. I was curious as to, how hard it is to break into this industry, and make a good living. I read all your posts etc. But I wish to know it more clearly. How would I start at making a good career. I'm currently a Junior in High School. I live realitvely close to Cleveland, and I love music. This is something I think I could, and would enjoy doing, but I need to know if I'll be able to live good, and not have to restart my life if I foul up. Thanks!

Here is my 2 cents and I think a lot of people are going to rip on me for it, but here it is anyway:

I started looking at recording schools a few years back, and found a really good one (Columbia College) here in Chicago. Before enrolling I started calling area studios to see how difficult it was to get an internship. I found out that there was zero chance of getting an intership because all of the studios are/were overrun with interns. So I bit the bullet and took the money I'd spend in school and bought my own gear. I started recording bands for free out of my bedroom and told them that the outcome might suck, but it is free so don't bitch.

I bought a lot of books, recorded a lot of bands for free, and started realizing that I don't suck that bad after comparing my work to that of area studios that charge $25-45/hr. The only major difference was that their mixes were a lot tighter and had a few steps up in the sonic quality department.

So I started charging $10/hr (better than an unpaid internship), and began recording high school aged bands.....a lot of crappy emo and punk stuff. They started spreading the word, and now I charge about $20/hr and have been recording bigger names that are happy to pay that rate. Slowly I've been getting more gear, learning more, and getting more confident in what I can do. I've already recorded some signed bands and things are starting to go places.....I've never been in a classroom.

Does this mean you shouldn't go to school....no I'm not saying that....but for ME...I learn better by doing than having something explained to me. If I would've gone to school it would've been a gamble just the same as dropping $15k on gear to build a home studio. Now I have two rooms in the house dedicated, and even though I still haven't made my money back....I'd only bee in my second year of school right now and not have any of the experience I have now under my belt. I'd also be like $28k in debt from school expenses.

hey arthur you are learning by doing but also looks like you have the vocation and dedication... that's the main thing, to be dedicated and put in your time to develop your chops-

-one thing though, you should develop a relationship with other experience engineers- they can show you things that otherwise it would take years, if ever, to figure out-

the debt monster

One recurring theme in this whole discussion thread is "not wanting to go into debt" Well, it's almost unavoidable for any type of education, especially a 4 year degree. State schools and ESPECIALLY private univiersiities are constantly hiking tuition costs (you can almost set your watch by it). It won't be long before even going to a state school will be a 6 figure deal. Also, if you plan on opening a studio and don't have the necessary capital amassed, then you are going to approach some type of fianancial institution for a loan.

Ultiimately, the value of an accredited bachelors degree is determined by the job market. Does having a degree mean that you are more intellligent and capable than someone who does not? NO! What a degree shows to a potential employer is that you took on a 4 year project and completed it. They know full well that you don't remember half of what you studied. It's just an easy, legal way for employers to filter resume's and potential job candidates.

HOWEVER, if you are approaching a group of 3rd party investors (i.e non-personal aquaintences), then you are going to have to have a solid business plan together. You also have to demonstrate some functional business administration knowledge. (sales, marketing, accounting, etc..) and how you plan to handle these aspects. To run a full service commercial studio, it takes more than solid technical knowledge and a good ear. You have to understand the business aspect of it as well. This is what an accredited 4 year degree can give you.: the fundamentals of business management. But make no mistake. As with starting any viable business, it is long hours and a lot of hard work. It's really a labor of love.

So, my two cents for the soon to be high school grads is this: Go to a nationally accredited 4 year college or university that offers a viable audio production major with decent facilities and minor in business management (or even entrepreneurialship). There are mentoring placement programs out there that also will arrange an apprenticeship for you with a local engineer in a studio (for a fee of course). The engineer gets a cut of this fee, so they are compensated as well. These programs are completely flexible and you can work them around your school schedule. When all is said and done, even if opening a studio turns out to be not what you hoped for, you still have employment options open to you because of that little piece of paper that took you 4 years of your life to earn.

and yes, I'll shut up now! :)

i graduated from full sail in 97... i loved every moment of it... you CANNOT get hands on experience on these real consoles NEVE, SSLs, etc at other schools...

It is also in FLORIDA... duh.. palm trees, chics, etc

When i graduated, i was told by each and every studio i interned at that i was chosen over IAR students just because it said full sail...

you have to put into it to get out of it...

i went for the learning experience not to pursue a career as an engineer... i like to produce and write music but though it would be a great get away, meet like minded people, play on gear and learn all about sound...

it was all of that...

and as for high school grades, etc... blah... i got a GED and sucked in high school... .062 GPA but in full sail i averaged a high B low A... cause I LOVE MUSIC

GO... and HAVE FUN

I just sent my friends daughter and her friends down there... you will love it...

I find that if your going to start your own studio, put your money into your studio instead of Fullsail. Believe it or not I make better sounding recording than many Fullsail graduates I know that operate their own studios. Where do I learn all my stuff ?, techniques ?, what gear to buy ?, how to set it up ? how to deal with sessions ? I go to my 4 universities http://www.gearslutz.com, Recording.org, taopeop.com and 3daudio.com. Here I learn evrything that i need, just know who to ask.

Put your money in Fullsail if you plan to work for other people that smile on seeing a paper that reads "Fullsail".

Good Luck

HMNP wrote: Put your money in Fullsail if you plan to work for other people that smile on seeing a paper that reads "Fullsail".

Good Luck

well, unless you can afford a console that costs 1 million dollars, yeah, starting your career in america's pop industry starts by working within the industry :D

fontane wrote: well, unless you can afford a console that costs 1 million dollars, yeah, starting your career in america's pop industry starts by working within the industry :D

Please refer me to a console that costs $1,000,000.

Anyway....

You don't need a console that cost a mil.. signal flow is signal flow.

" you CANNOT get hands on experience on these real consoles NEVE, SSLs, etc at other schools... "

Oh, Really? which schools would those be.

I'm glad you liked Full Sail as I know many people who enjoyed it. But damn that's a lot of money. I paid a lot less to go to MTSU and the gear and experience was great too.

I'm not knocking your exp or skills, glad you had a good time with it.