Dis-One,

I ask myself, when reading your post, what does this discussion contribute to RO? Not trying to be eletist or anything, (I'm a broke bedroom wanker like many others here - trying to improve my craft and just plain make good music) but you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

I have never tried Sonar, and I'm sure its a capable musical environment. But simple assertions like yours accompanied by challenges like 'prove me wrong' really come across as troll-type material.

What is the basis for your opinion? Is it experience with other sequencers or musical environments, either hardware or software? Is it a study of the technological capabilities or features of the various competing products? Is it an objective comparison of the sonic results of these competing products against Sonar?

Some would make the same assertions for ProTools, some for Saw Studio, some for Logic, some for Nubase/Cuendo, some for Paris, some for HD2496, etc. And of course the merits and demerits of each of those (and other) apps have been discussed ad-infinitum at all music-oriented discussion groups throughout the internet.

But the end point is: who cares?

Can you make music with it? Does it give you the quality you desire? Does it meet your needs? Do you feel comfortable working in it? Are you geting good returns on your investment? Those questions are constructive and contribute to the wealth of good info at RO. 'Prove me wrong' creates a flame thread.

Logic does all these things for me, but you don't catch me with my lips wrapped around Emagic's uhhh.... trumpet, because I have very little experience with other sequencing environments besides the Roland MC50mkII and Fostex Digital 8 track recorder I once owned.

Sonar may very well be the best, and it may not. But I won't waste my time trying to 'prove you wrong.' For what?

mitz

PLEASE TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK, DON'T SHOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, that's better.

There is no "best" program around. The best program is the one that fits you. I used to work for "big name music store" in the keyboard/computer dept. and had to learn most of them, both Mac & PC. I found Cakewalk to be good, but didn't find to be the right fit for me. But if Cakewalk works for you, more power to you. Once everything is in the computer (we won't get into A/D, D/A) it's all ones and zeros. The rest is in the programming of theplug-ins as the basic DAW is just telling those long strings of ones and zeros when to do things, where to go and what to do when they get there.

I use Pro Tools and Digital Performer on the Mac. I'm also beginning to work with Logic a lot more. They all have their good points and bad points and I bounce between them. Don't lock yourself into the "this thing is the best and everything else sucks" syndrome. It locks you out of creative possibilities and, worse, possible monetary opportunities.

Peace,

Uncle Bob

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(Dead Link Removed)

Can anybody guess DIS-ONE's, favorite Red Hot Chili Peppers song?

I WASNT TRYING TO COME OFF AS A HARD HEAD OR ANYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION WITH OTHER PRODUCERS USING DAW'S. SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.AND MY FAVORITE CHILI PEPPERS SONG IS "UNDER THE BRIDGE" ...HAHAHA

Ding! Ding! Ding! Hey man, if you can take that kinda hit and not get pissed off, you're my kinda guy. Welcome to RO!

btw, I agree 100% with everything Uncle Bob said, especially the CAPS LOCK part, if you please. Thank you. :D

HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE INTERNET! I USE SONAR 3. I LIKE SONAR 3. I MAKE BEAUTIFUL MUSIC WITH SONAR 3. WHAT'S YOUR NAME SONNY?

Dis-

My apologies for being so confrontational. I hope I didn't sour you to RO.

When I first read your message, I must admit, it fit the classic troll, flame-thrower profile to a "T". But I must also admit, I jumped the gun. Anyhow welcome to RO, and I hope you learn volumes here, as I have.

And yes, please turn off the caps lock!

So being so uninformed about Sonar as I am, let me ask, how good is the VST implementation? What would make me want to switch? Who makes DXi's?

mitz

Hey,
I am a Steinberg user and am happy with it. I would prefer to hear WHY you like Sonar. What can you do with it and what can you do WELL with it? I have to admit, I once owned Cakewalk v.7 and didn't end up liking it too much. (Mostly because I was new to the world of DAW's at the time) I keep reading really good things about Sonar but cannot afford to buy every software package on the market! I am also a proud user of Sonic Foundry's Acid software. I'm really hoping that Acid will really take off now that S.F. has been aquired by Sony.
So tell me why you like what you use, I'd love to hear it!
Best regards,
mIchAEl

[ January 13, 2004, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: mIchAElpEdErsEn ]

Acid 3 is a lovely music making software that works beutifully when used with Sound forge 5 or 6 ....Sound forge would be the program used to edit all of your samples.Computer music magazine & Music tech magazine are the perfect mags to get copyright free samples at only the cost of the mag..

Hehe, I remember the good old days where "Cakewalk" meant "midi mania".

The series has improved by leaps and bounds and has shifted to innately and intuitively supporting audio tracks, as opposed to the clunky audio interface of the Pro Audio series and earlier.

SONAR 3 actually mimics Cubase in terms of looks, and can achieve just as much, if not more. (Then again, I'm admittedly biased in this regard)

But seriously, I haven't seen something that other people do in Pro Tools or Cubase that I haven't been able to mimic in SONAR with the appropriate plugins. It's one of the more wallet-friendly packages, too, and doesn't come with any hardware dongle/equivalent tie-ups.

I used to use cakewalk, loved it, but found it to be more of a sequencing software? the audio features seem a bit primitive.. as for audio recording, i use Sonic Foundry Vegas Audio. I find it a pleasure to use (mostly), all editing is so easy to do, although the routing capabilities are not as good as PTools, so i am told :)
Sharmon

What version of Cakewalk was that?

I was hired as a consultant to help a guy set up his studio. One of the first things we did was to ditch his brand new Sonar 3 software as he needs to be Pro Tools compatible. It is a brand new unregistered open box with manual. Will sell cheap if anyone's interested PM me.

Hey guys I have one thng to add to this. I've used Sonar, Nuendo, and Cubase and the one thing I've been able to do on Soanr that I haven't been able to do on Stienberg is appling all effects to waves at once.

Lets say you're done with a project and you want to save a project with all the effects and eq, etc to the actual waves.... you can do this with one step and you're full of resources again to do more stuff to the project witout slowing down your computer. I haven't been able to do this yet with Stienberg unless I just haven't figured it out yet.

On the upside to Stienberg, I find my work flow to be faster during a session and editing to be faster as well. I think the audio quality is a bit better too. But again that all depends on what you're used too. If you think Sonar is the best then stick with it. Its a great program, I just prefer to use Stienberg after using Cakewalk products for so many years.