Grace has a real nice one that they've recently come out with...

very nice, thanks Moon! these all look like my tastes for sure. Pricy but nice!
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I recommend the Sabra-Som ST4 over the ST2. First of all you can just take off sliders you don't want. Second, if you use LDC mic's the ST2 is on occasion not big enough. Conversely you could purchase the ST2 then buy a hexagonal cold rolled steel rod online to whatever length you like. Another stereo bar that is nice is the Cascade version and it is reasonably priced to boot. I love the AEA Decca and the Sabra Decca trees but I'll never spend that money. I built my own from parts. It takes a Matthews stand to fly it though.

Thanks John,

hey, how do these Flathead II sound? (comparing to our Royers?) Nice looking setup here: They look great and are pretty low priced.
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I don't own any Cascade microphones. I just like the stereo bar. I did just pick up a Cloudlifter on one of my trolling purchases. I'll be curious to check it out though unneeded with the True's. It might be just the ticket to use the SF12 with a flash recorder.

The bar looks good.

How do you like the Cloudlifter? Pretty cool how it gets a power source eh. Someone was thinking there!

It just arrived today. It hasn't been out to a gig yet. The SF12 is going back to Royer for a checkup so when it comes back I'll be ready for some play time wit it and the R101's. Another interesting tool I just picked up recently is a box from DW Fearn. It takes a line level signal and reduces it to mic level to pump through a color preamp.

This?:

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That's the one. I haven't used that either. I just keep finding this stuff in auctions at 0100. If the price is low enough I make a min bid and forget about it. I got a D12e for $145 last week.

You are having too much fun. I wish we lived closer John, I can tell we would have some good times.

TheJackAttack, post: 362227, member: 34377 wrote: I recommend the Sabra-Som ST4 over the ST2. First of all you can just take off sliders you don't want. Second, if you use LDC mic's the ST2 is on occasion not big enough. Conversely you could purchase the ST2 then buy a hexagonal cold rolled steel rod online to whatever length you like. Another stereo bar that is nice is the Cascade version and it is reasonably priced to boot. I love the AEA Decca and the Sabra Decca trees but I'll never spend that money. I built my own from parts. It takes a Matthews stand to fly it though.

John and audiokid - I realize this is a very old thread, but I hope you can answer this question from a newbie here. You mention the hex rolled steel rod. Could you tell me the diameter I should look for, to use with the ST2?

Ira Seigel, post: 410754, member: 47847 wrote: John and audiokid - I realize this is a very old thread, but I hope you can answer this question from a newbie here. You mention the hex rolled steel rod. Could you tell me the diameter I should look for, to use with the ST2?

Not familiar with this, John will be here sometime and most likely have the answer for you.

I'll have to dig out the tape measure, but the bar is the exact same dimension as the plastic bar that comes with the Sabra mounts-just longer.

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The website I originally ordered mine has either been absorbed by Amazon or just doesn't exist anymore.

TheJackAttack, post: 410766, member: 34377 wrote: I'll have to dig out the tape measure, but the bar is the exact same dimension as the plastic bar that comes with the Sabra mounts-just longer.

PLASTIC?!?! Yikes! Thanks for the heads up on that. And thanks for the Amazon link. Much appreciated it.

The stock bar works quite well and is no problem unless you wish to have a much wider horizontal spread. As to whether the bar is plastic or delrin or something harder I never bothered to investigate since I can't afford a hex carbon fiber rod. There are many acoustic advantages to non metal primary being vibration transference.

Good point about vibration. Altho I'd most likely use small shockmounts anyway, to keep a low visible profile.

How about these?:SSL
Not hex, but would they work for you? Not all that expensive. But I'll go with the stock Sabra-som item, as you suggest.

How are you going to use a hex mic stud on a round bar? Just sayin'. Also, what are you recording that you need a long bar? For mine I was using spaced omni's in live orchestra recording as room mics. When I use the Sabra on the main stereo pair there is almost never a reason to go wider than the stock mounts. I did scab the Sabra mounts and custom engineer a Decca Tree once but that was huge PITA and eventually went with three separate stands or flying the mic's.

The Decca Tree would be too ungainly for me. I'd have no way of hanging it properly where it wouldn't be objectionable to patrons or staff. But I doff my hat to you - that must have been QUITE the customizing feat.

After thinking about the "long bar" issue a bit more, I realized that you're right - the ST2 (or ST4) provides as much separation as I'm going to want for a principal pair. I also have access to hanging Schoeps and DPAs, but I'd like to try Blumlein and XY for an upcoming series and for traveling to different venues.

I think that is a better plan. Also, keep your main pair only slightly above the head height of the conductor and angled down towards the front third of the orchestra. Too high and it becomes too off axis. To low and all you hear are the damn trumpets. They'll be heard no matter what.