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I'm having a hard time with it. I've heard great room tone on many classic albums. But my room tones always sound like a slapback echo, even when I'm just using a reverb. I swear there is no echo/delay being used. I hate that slapback echo on a rhythm guitar! On the classic albums they sound like an "amp in a room".

I'm using Amplitube for the "amp", and any number of VSTs for reverb. The "big boy" reverbs are doing the slapback, too. Like Waves, and the CSR classic studio reverbs, and so on.

Is there a trick to this?

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kmetal Tue, 07/30/2013 - 06:17

could be a buffering issue. to the reverbs do this on other tracks like vocals? i'd try just a single track w/ amplitube on it, and use the amplitube reverb, see if that has the slapback. then i'd instatiate a reverb pluggin on the channel as well, and see what it does.

you could be oevrlkoading the computer by having your buffers too low (in order to have better response in amplitube), or running too many plug-insat once. if not you may need updated drivers, or a different update of amplitube. like maybe the newest, or the one previous to your current ones. i've had to go from .3 to .1 of a program cuz the new one ran worse.

JohnTodd Tue, 07/30/2013 - 06:38

Anywhere from Led Zepp. to Dokken to Iron Maiden for the examples.

Buffering and latency isn't an issue, thank God. My system works great and I've honed my practices to be efficient in terms of CPU.

I'ts not pre-delay either. And Amplitube's room mics does the same thing as a reverb send/bus thing.

Other tracks like vocals dont do it. It's only guitar.

Argh!!!
See my dilemna?

KurtFoster Tue, 07/30/2013 - 12:59

the recordings you are mentioning were recorded mostly in professional recording studios with good acoustics.

even the Led Zep stuff that a lot of people think was recorded at [[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.google.c…"]Headley Grange[/]="http://www.google.c…"]Headley Grange[/] or with the Stones remote at some estate somewhere the guitars were often recorded at Trident, Olympic or other studios in London. Page used a Fender Champ or Deluxe and just mic-ed it up.

another good reason to have a good room. you'll never get there with a di.

audiokid Tue, 07/30/2013 - 14:44

Man, look at this picture and reminisce . I'm starting to think we are going to see a resurgence of analog consoles again. I think people are finally getting it. Thank goodness too.

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sorry to slightly derail this thread: Pretty cool having the option to add the transformer to each module.

JohnTodd Wed, 07/31/2013 - 17:46

OK. I'll just have to try new things. I swear I'll never mic a cabinet again because of Amplitube. I really love this technology because it lets me postpone critical decisions until later. I hope this digital stuff gets developed to the point that Ye Gods can't tell a difference.

Please don't be offended. I'll do whatever I have to do to get the sound, micing included. Just don't wanna.

kmetal Thu, 08/01/2013 - 00:23

so what was causing that delay? that's the question. cool inputs aside, the real issue was an un-expected slap in a reverb pluggin? has that been fixed J-T? we all know the merits of input gain/channels, and gain staging right. So wastup w/ a decent computer exemplifying a strange delay, and it not being buffer related?

what is/was the problem, is it solved yet? that's the main concern, cuz it's strange.

anonymous Sat, 08/03/2013 - 05:13

JohnTodd, post: 406678 wrote: OK. I'll just have to try new things. I swear I'll never mic a cabinet again because of Amplitube. I really love this technology because it lets me postpone critical decisions until later. I hope this digital stuff gets developed to the point that Ye Gods can't tell a difference.

Please don't be offended. I'll do whatever I have to do to get the sound, micing included. Just don't wanna.

LOL...and I swear that, past recording some late night track where I don't wanna bum out the neighbors, that I'll never use Amplitube for anything other than a rough idea, with the full intention of using the real deal when the sun comes up on the final guitar track. Give me a real amp and a mic every time.

If I have a choice between the real thing and an emulation of the real thing, well, the real thing will always be the choice I'll make.

I don't have the room for a baby grand, nor do I have the room for a B3 and a Leslie stack, so I'm stuck with the emulation of these things. But I'll always have room for a guitar amp and a mic. ;)

JohnTodd Sat, 08/03/2013 - 12:24

I started on four tracks. Good old Tascam unit. Loved it, and produced some good stuff from it, all things considered.

As for creative vision: My studio time is free for me, obviously. I like the experimentation that the digital stuff allows me. It's not a lack of vision, it's like constantly reaching into the unknown to pull out something new. Doesn't always work, but mostly it does. It has a lot of ambiguity. Some people can't stand that, I rather thrive on it.

As for live recording, etc., let's remember I am by far more artist than engineer. I leave the important engineering to the engineers, 'cause that's what they do best. Me? I shake my booty on stage and collect my pay. thumb

kmetal Sun, 08/04/2013 - 00:34

if you have a tube pre amp, crank the crap outa the input gain, it really adds some credibility to the digital distortion. have you tried guitar rig yet? i personally like it better than amplitude, and it's got a slot of effects to keep the creative palate happy. dare i say it almost sounds real.....