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anonymous 17 May 2005

Hi! I need advice to buyin a good DI and Micpre.
How's compare this two Preamp.Just compare for one channel.
How's those sound like?
Which one is best buy?
I am into Hip-Hop and Rap music.
My buget is under $1000
Thanks for all you help.

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therecordingart Tue, 05/17/2005 - 09:14

The Brick is a great preamp. I own it, and love the hell out of it. According to the pros in this community....it's the real thing just like all of the other big named preamps out there.

Now to compare a one channel brick to the 2-channel Seb is tough. I haven't used the Seb, but I know that you can run the 2 channels in series (one into the other) for an added tube saturation and colour. I think that is a pretty damn cool thing alone. Also, the Seb has a few more gizmos to play with on it. The Brick is very straightfoward in operation....you plug in the mic and turn up the gain.

No matter which way you go.....you'll be buying a great preamp that has a place in your setup no matter how much upgrading you do. That being said, I'd probably get the Brick (to save cash) and put the additional $600 out of your $1000 budget into acoustically treating your recording room or a nice vocal mic...even both!

anonymous Tue, 05/17/2005 - 09:24

About the Brick...

Is there not an insert I/O on it?
Many of the Pres I've seen lately have got one, and was just wondering how any of you guys would link the signal chain so there can be some mild compression on the front-end.

My new upgraded chain (before buying he Brick) is:
Rode K2--->K2 Power Supply--->JoeMeek 3Q (Insert I/O to FMR RNC 1773)--->M-Audio MobilePre USB.

If I were to upgrade to a Brick, how would I do the compression?

Thanks,
Brad Venable
Voice For Hire, LLC

KurtFoster Tue, 05/17/2005 - 15:36

There's no insert on "The Brick" ... it doesn't need one. There's also no inserts on the Sebatrons except for the THORAX.

If all there is to a mic pre is the amp stage with no output trim, like on "The Brick" and the ~Sebatron~ vmp series ... then there is usually no insert. With pres like the ~Sebatron~ THORAX, where you have the pre amp stage as well as an output stage, then you will usually see an insert point between the two.

When there's no insert point provided, simply come out of the pre and go into the comp and then to the recorder or eq or whatever's next.

Guest Sat, 05/21/2005 - 03:45

Alyi wrote: Is Sebatron VMP2000 for Mastering?

Not really. Pre-amps are different than mastering devices. Some guys claim to master without mastering equipment. But I say "you can't record with mastering gear, what would make me believe that the opposite would be true"?
You don't say "I'm going fishing. But I'm gonna catch 'em with my frying pan, and a fork". First you have to catch the fish with a different tool (a hook & a fishing rod). You don't come home with the fish and cook it over the stove with a fishing rod. You have different tools to cook his ass with.
I know that there are guys who "master" (that's what they call it) without "mastering gear" but, mastering gear is alot more exp. than most gear, and to say you are mastering without mastering gear is the only truth to the whole subject.
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And for those who use pro audio gear for mastering, next time you go fishing just dunk your head under water and when you come up with a fish yell,
Goo-nee GooGoo

anonymous Sat, 05/21/2005 - 11:29

Operadragon wrote: Thanks, Kurt...I really appreciate telling me that.

I really didn't want to have to go from XLR to TRS and then TRS to XLR if I'm going:
Brick--->RNC--->mobilePre USB

But I guess I have no choice, do I?

Regards,
Brad Venable

It would be no difference in quality really as the signal will be balanced through the whole chain. Just make sure you end up in in a balanced line-in and not a mic-in.

anonymous Sat, 05/21/2005 - 13:49

I need make decision now.Just want to know is Sebatron VMP2000 DI ,MIC have "Record" quality for Vocal, Synth Drum, bass, Piano....when I recordin to my Computer? or Groove Tube Brick also have "Record" Quality for recrdin but no EQ. I know it's can't compare with Avalon stuff . I hope can release like the Independent Lable Quality not the Major Lable and I can't compare the sound, cuz I can't test those preamp in my country.So I need help

anonymous Sat, 05/21/2005 - 16:34

Alyi wrote: I need make decision now.Just want to know is Sebatron VMP2000 DI ,MIC have "Record" quality for Vocal, Synth Drum, bass, Piano....when I recordin to my Computer? or Groove Tube Brick also have "Record" Quality for recrdin but no EQ. I know it's can't compare with Avalon stuff . I hope can release like the Independent Lable Quality not the Major Lable and I can't compare the sound, cuz I can't test those preamp in my country.So I need help

Both are considered pro preamps, but the Brick is cheaper and the Sebatron has more options.
The Brick is on the clean side of valve-preamps. It has no output controll, only gain, so it will be hard to saturate much without cliping your A/D inputs.

It seems to me like you might need a stereo preamp, so you have to decide whether two Bricks are better than one VMP2000.

anonymous Sun, 05/22/2005 - 02:33

Hello

Well i'm using both (VMP4000e & the Brick)

Both are really good stuff but i say :

-Seb are really good for Instruments,samplers, Drums (kickDr are really good with the Seb). The EQ from the Sebatron isreally great

-The brick, i really love it for vocals, just plug My ADK A48 thru the brick+RNC
sounds amazing.

so just choose what you need.

PS also with the Sebatron you can tweak a lot more than the Brick so sometimes it could be really usefull (EQ hmmmm)

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