Hey Bill,
I would be difficult to give you a quality answer about whether Logic or Protools is better because there are too many variables to take into consideration. I will tell you that both are superior products and that both are capable of a lot of the same results. In a very general way, I will try to respond by saying that Protools might be better for you if you are interested in editing audio for film and television while Logic's sequencing capabilities are superior. If you plan on recording multiple inputs simultaneously, both are good. If you plan on using mainly audio files in your production then Protools may have the advantage. I have many friends that swear by Logic. Most however use Logic for music production and most use Protools for film/video related editing. But both can do either and pretty well too. Sound too general? Sorry, but I guess at the end of the day, the last sentence is basicly how I view the best practical purposes of the two.
Best regards,
mIchAEl

I basically agree with michael's assessment.

I'm a Logic User for two years now, and I absolutely swear by it.

Pro tools has the name, and that's good, but IMO, Logic is the better choice, over PTLE. Now if we're talking PTHD, then...

Both rely on the native processing power, so that's no factor. But I find that the limitation on audio hardware with PTLE is a negative factor. And the endless upgrade cycle that others love to complain about. I call it planned obsolescence.

Logic has a steep learning curve, but its well worth it, IMO. I'm still learning. There is not much you wouldn't be able to do with either program, so in the end, its the luck of the draw.

What is stated often is that Logic is a better MIDI sequencer, and PT handles audio better, but I have yet to be unable to do anything I needed to do audio-wise with Logic. Could I have done it a little better and faster with PT? Maybe, but it still got done.

And another twist. Logic is no longer a third party product. PT is. What that means to us end users may vary, but it sure makes me feel good, even though I do feel sorry for all those PC Logic users who got the boot. They lost a great program.

mitz

Logic has a steep learning curve, but its well worth it, IMO. I'm still learning. There is not much you wouldn't be able to do with either program, so in the end, its the luck of the draw.

WOW, that is the first time I hear that.
I know a Logic user (and heard of more) that wanted to go the PTLE route, but gave up and went back to Logic because it was lot easier to deal with.

golli,

For me, I had to learn Logic, Mac OS, Delta66 routing, OMS, etc., all at the same time since I bought everything in one pass.

Logic is definitely a complex program. It was tough to learn the signal routing, especially with the Delta/Omni. Once I got over that hump, it became very intuitive. I had a hard time coming to grips with the environment. But as I said, it was well worth it.

When I received the money to put together the studio, the only choice I had already made was the computer platform. The soundcard and software was at the advice of my trusted long-time music salesman. I'm glad I followed it; before-hand I was actually pretty evenly split between Logic and Cubase.

mitz

billrc,

you wiil probably want to get a condenser. I'd say don't worry too much about which one you pick. The most important thing is to learn the art of recording vocals. Just about any budget mic will do. I've heard good things about the Studio Projects C1, and some other inexpensive condensers.

I have an AT-3050. I find it to be a little shy on the airy end with a forceful midrange, but the techniques I have learned in the past two years have enabled me to capture very good vocal takes with it. And this will be the most important thing for you, since when you get your hands on that much revered Neumann, you'll know what to do with it.

And the pre's in the 828 will suffice. Also if its any help, I've heard that the 828mkII sounds better than the DIGI series interfaces.

mitz

Thanks everybody for all the replies. They really helped me decide on Logic 6. At the AES convention I was shown a demonstration of Logic by Dot. She spent a good half hour with me showing me the program. It did a lot but was a bit complicated and intimidating. But I thought I might be able to figure it out. I then went to the DigiDesign booth and had them demo PTLE. Much simpler and I think the plugins that came with it sounded better. At least the piano. So I thought I had better go with PTLE. Now after hearing what you have said it has swayed me back to Logic. Except now Mitzelplik mentions Delta66 routing and OMS. What are these tidbits? But thanks again for all your input. It really is a blessing to have a forum like this to ask questions and get feedback. TGFTI (thank god for the internet)
Bill

Well, billrc, The Delta66/Omni Studio combination has about a millino ways to route audio. As someone new to the field, it was tough for me to get an audio signal from my mic into Logic, record it, monitor it and send it back out to my monitors. It took me a while to learn it, and it'll take you a while to understand and utilize the full capabilities of the 828mkII. That's what I meant by Delta signal routing.

OMS is an application that handles MIDI routing on the Mac side. If you don't have an Emagic midi interface, you'll have to use it. On OS9 anyhow. On OSX, the guy who designed OMS designed the coreMIDI services at the OS level. Much easier to deal with. And I strongly suggest you jump straight to OSX. OMS was a nightmare for me. I have since tamed it, but it took me a full two months to get a MIDI signal into my computer through my MIDISport interface.

mitz

We cannot compare apples with oranges.
It would be better to compare:

Logic vs. Pro Tools HD3