Hi every one.
Ok i have been using mac and pro tools for a while. But i am fed up of digidesigns lazy bug fix updates.
I have pro tools m-powerd and the m-audio 4/10 has better intergration with any rival companys product.
I really dont get this. I get a whopping 512 samples of latency on my system.
Also rtas plugins are a joke. No one supports this flakey pro to col.
i tried running ni instruments kompact. And the whole system won't get past a bar before a crash.
Only thing is where do i go? I like Cubase v5 best. But sx is a disaster.
I like logic 5 but v 7 looks dangerously close to adopting an overly complex interface.
Also i was intrested in knowing what id the best "sounding" DAW. And what would be the best converters to get in the $600 range. Maudio cards sux!
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as i am not a fan of PT either (but far to often forced to work
as i am not a fan of PT either (but far to often forced to work with it in hire studios... ARGGH the so called "standard", but never mind) and you are on a mac i say LOGIC PRO, to me it is not only the most powerfull audio apps around also to my ears by far the best sounding one!!
it is foremost superior in midi to all other apps and let's you also perform anything else you need for recording, mixing, editing and songwriting / creating... i also love the GUI (which is a total matter of taste, actually it is the only GUI i can really stand, it's german, solid and logic!!!)
comes with a bucket load of high quality plugs and soft synths...
however, i disagree with you about m-audio, for the money you pay they are great cards, but if you want to upgrade... RME or Metric Halo making very nice cards which perform very well with logic.
(512 samples ??? there must be something wrong!! with your setup)
just my 2cents
JamesG wrote: Logic def. takes some time to learn and a whole l
JamesG wrote:
Logic def. takes some time to learn and a whole life time to master (which is cool cause you can always find new things to learn)
yes it does, but that just reflects the sheer (sometimes almost unbelievable) power of it, i use it intensive since over 6 years and i am still learning / discovering!! to me that's a qlear quality sign!! it basically does not give you any restrictions except the ones in your head!!
also the integration with other powerfull pro apps like final cut pro and others is bar none superb... you don't get that kind of power from any other apps.
Well im not intrested in plugins any way. At the moment i am
Well im not intrested in plugins any way. At the moment i am dicthing the whole computer. I m planning on buying a computer after i have written all the music for the album i am doing.
Hate forming ideas on a computer screen.
Sorry computers great for comping vocals etc....
So really i need a computer just for live instruments and vocals.
As far as plugin's go. The ones that now come with pro tools are the best. Decent eq and compression. Better then waves. I then downloaded pluggo free ware and blue tubes free ware and i dont really see any advantage to logic.
In fact i sold my copy of logic before i got pro tools. the plugins in logic sound pretty dire. But probably no less so then the ones in pro tools.
Funny as my mpc sounds great all the way thru. Awsome converters, Awsome fx great interface.
Maybe it is me. I mean i love the idea of throwing a track together from little rectangles but it never seems to work.
In fact every thing done on a computer sounds bland. All this these amazing tools and no music?
No really!! All the music made with computers is crap.
Even pet shop boys have vibe. I would say that pet shop boys are not my faveorite band but i have never heard any music made on software as good as west end girls.
but who cares you guys are probaly to stupid to notice this anyway.
"its all subjective"
Yeah well. my opnion on your music is that its shit. and you ass holes should give up now. You F**king losers telling me what music program i should get and your making RnB! Ass hole.
64bits wrote: A bunch of stupid shit You're reminding me of som
64bits wrote: A bunch of stupid shit
You're reminding me of someone. Why are you here asking questions again? Why don't you go do us all a favor and ditch your computer like you say you're going to.
If everything you do on a computer sounds bland, maybe it's not the computer's fault. All the tools in the world won't give you a shred of talent.
Your reasons for disliking Pro-Tools are "lazy bug fixes" and ba
Your reasons for disliking Pro-Tools are "lazy bug fixes" and bad latency and bad plug-ins.
What bugs are you worried about? All programs have them and I don't want to recommend one that has a bug that you don't want.
Latency is more of a system problem rather than software. Drivers and processing power are the only things that will improve that.
Plug-ins: Some are bad, some are good. It takes a lot of testing to find the good stuff.
I don't know why you say that Cubase SX is a disaster. So I can't respond to that. It's been working beautiful for me for the last 3 years. Sure...it has it's bugs/quirks like every other program, but for me they are not a problem.
After reading your other posts, I see that there is really only one option for you...SAWSTUDIO.
You'll love it. And if you want to bitch about it...You bitch directly to the creator/programmer.
You see kids? Say NO to drugs. I like my M-audio card. I've neve
You see kids? Say NO to drugs. I like my M-audio card. I've never had a problem getting under 10ms latency. There are plenty better cards but for the price M-audio suits me fine. I ain't no pro. (which kind of begs the question "why am I on this board in the first place?") I've used Logic and ProTools and currently use Cubase. By far Cubase is the buggiest of them all. ProTools M-Powered is notoriously problematic but I don't think there is a problem with the proprietary hardware and ProTools. In general Logic and ProTools work better on Macs. They just put their focus on the apple community because they are the majority of pro users. Hobbyists like me will generally stick to PC and the majority of PC users don't buy their software anymore. It just makes sense to support the buying community.
Sorry about my outburst. And i never said iwas talented. I ju
Sorry about my outburst. And i never said iwas talented. I just said that i dont think any music in the last few years is as good as stuff from 15-20 years ago. Dose that make me a moron?
You know guys. I started my career in music with an atari st and a cs1x. I got a sequencer for the st thru the post. for about $10.
After a few years i got a yamaha sample box thing. And in those days i loved making music. I was crap but i had fun.
Then i started to buy all the magazines. And blame my crapness on my limitations (gear).
So i bought cubase audio and a pc. You know when it came in a white box and was so awful.
And the funny thing is. If you listen to any great electronic based song. The reason they were good was because they were based around a few excellent parts.
More More more. Faster pc's. bigger soft ware. Bigger ego self belief.
= completely boring out put.
Now im going back. Im not doing music seriously any more. But i have put records out before.
Im selling all my stuff. Sold my mac. trying to dump the shit mpowerd soft ware on some one.
All i am keeping is a mpc and a juno. Imagine a one man band with the kick strapped to his back and a harmonica in his mouth and playing a guitiar.
Well thats for jokers. Try doing one thing and one thing well.
but i must say that computers are an evil waste of time and creativity.
I cant get my head round how slow it is to do things on one. Im super fluid. i have been using sequencers for 10 years. Logic, cubase, pro tools.
I know the responses are going to be so obvious. " well im happy with mine and im fantastic!"
But really if magazines explained to people how to develope ideas and how skill is the only differnce between demos and masters it would be a differnt game.
Computers are the worst thing to ever happen to music. And when people stop bull shiting them selfs and accept that every one can hear the lines and grids and dose know whats going to happen next.........
Oh yea as for m powerd. DO NOT BUY THIS.
I just saw that now its shipping with loads and loads of plugins to make up for it being useless. I wonder if maudio will give theses out to exsisting oweners. No i thought not either......
Mr. Moon wrote: [quote=hueseph]...the majority of PC users don't
Mr. Moon wrote: [quote=hueseph]...the majority of PC users don't buy their software anymore.
Ummmm, from which statistical database (and/or what other sources) did you gather this information? :?
-mr moon
Well my appologies. It was a blanket statement yes. What I'm implying is that a good number of PC users use pirated software. Especially those who want to "produce" their own music using their "high end" soundblaster card.
I buy my software but for every 100 people like me there is at least one other person who is downloading their software from a P2P network. I think that is quite a conservative statement.
Please don't get all sensitive just because this doesn't describe you particularly.
hueseph wrote: [quote=Mr. Moon][quote=hueseph]...the majority of
hueseph wrote: [quote=Mr. Moon][quote=hueseph]...the majority of PC users don't buy their software anymore.
Ummmm, from which statistical database (and/or what other sources) did you gather this information? :?
-mr moon
Well my appologies. It was a blanket statement yes. What I'm implying is that a good number of PC users use pirated software. Especially those who want to "produce" their own music using their "high end" soundblaster card.
I buy my software but for every 100 people like me there is at least one other person who is downloading their software from a P2P network. I think that is quite a conservative statement.
Please don't get all sensitive just because this doesn't describe you particularly.
I agree that there's a good deal of software piracy going on, especially on the PC-side of the audio recording world, but I just wanted to discover if you had found some kind of statistical research which supported your claim. I work in the IT industry and topics like that are actually "interesting" to me, professionally speaking.
...And no, I am not sensitive, nor did I respond in a "sensitive" manner. I merely asked you where you gathered the information you posted here as if it were factual rather than conjecture.
Rock on.
-mr moon
64bits wrote: ...= completely boring out put. How's the old s
64bits wrote: ...= completely boring out put.
How's the old saying go? Garbage in, garbage out. Don't blame the tools. Blame the user.
64bits wrote: i must say that computers are an evil waste of time and creativity.
Well I wish you would get rid of yours so we don't have to be subject to your stupid, and might I add wrong, opinions. YES. Your opinions are wrong.
64bits wrote: I cant get my head round how slow it is to do things on one. Im super fluid. i have been using sequencers for 10 years. Logic, cubase, pro tools.
What exactly is slow? Editing? Recording? Compared to recording/editing on 2" tape, I'd say that computers can make the process much quicker.
Super Fluid?
64bits wrote: Computers are the worst thing to ever happen to music.
That statement is just absurd. It's not the computers, it's the people.
Don't you mean that that proliferation of the affordable DAW has made it so that every Tom, Dick and Harry now has the tools to produce their own music and that is flooding the public with end products of lesser quality?
OR
Don't you mean that the ease of use of the DAW has made engineers and producers lazy which results in a less refined product?
OR
Do you just mean that audio, recorded on computers, sounds like ass?
OR
Do you just like spouting nonsense?
Hmmmm, very interesting... We have: -Someone who writes as if
Hmmmm, very interesting...
We have:
-Someone who writes as if English isn't their first language, but yet posesses a lot of knowledge of, and a propensity for, English slang.
-A convoluted question, buried beneath a smattering of very strong opinions
-A question, which appears to be innocent at the beginning, but which becomes lost as the questioner begins to brag about having a great deal of knowledge on various semi-related topics, making us wonder why it was asked in the first place
-A complete write off of of any of the answers or opinions that come back from the question. No mention of the possibility of checking into the suggestions mentioned.
-A few selected, very antagonistic, and insulting comments guaranteed to rile some of the members
Methinks here we go again, no?
my opnion on your music is that its shit. and you ass holes shou
my opnion on your music is that its shit. and you ass holes should give up now. You F**king losers telling me what music program i should get and your making RnB! Ass hole.
Actually just this sentence makes you a fat moron sice you asked a question about music programs and you started insulting people there to help you. But don't worry about it, you are still a little kid who just wants to have his litte fun with the internet! :D
We all suck with our stupid replies and you are definitely an arrogant lil' moron.
Please do not post here anymore since people loose time for no reason when they replie (with good answers as usual) to your arrogance.
Thank god the topic was interesting for the people like me who cared (thanks everybody for your input).
Baslotto.
Mr. Moon wrote: [quote=hueseph][quote=Mr. Moon][quote=hueseph]..
Mr. Moon wrote: [quote=hueseph][quote=Mr. Moon][quote=hueseph]...the majority of PC users don't buy their software anymore.
Ummmm, from which statistical database (and/or what other sources) did you gather this information? :?
-mr moon
Well my appologies. It was a blanket statement yes. What I'm implying is that a good number of PC users use pirated software. Especially those who want to "produce" their own music using their "high end" soundblaster card.
I buy my software but for every 100 people like me there is at least one other person who is downloading their software from a P2P network. I think that is quite a conservative statement.
Please don't get all sensitive just because this doesn't describe you particularly.
I agree that there's a good deal of software piracy going on, especially on the PC-side of the audio recording world, but I just wanted to discover if you had found some kind of statistical research which supported your claim. I work in the IT industry and topics like that are actually "interesting" to me, professionally speaking.
...And no, I am not sensitive, nor did I respond in a "sensitive" manner. I merely asked you where you gathered the information you posted here as if it were factual rather than conjecture.
Rock on.
-mr moon
my personal statistics tell me that at least 80% of all pc owners do not buy software!!! ( i know alot of people.... )
or sometimes they buy eg. cubase and then fill it up with cracked plugs
Pro Tools is for Pro Fools. BACK to the POINT of the whole topi
Pro Tools is for Pro Fools.
BACK to the POINT of the whole topic....
Sonar PE is the quiet underdog. Been using Sonar since 2 and haven't left her since. Tried all the others, they have their ups and downs just like some people arguing on this post... ANYway. I suggest Sonar, or DP. Depending on if you're a PC or Mac-my-tush man. Nuff said.
sonic8or wrote: Pro Tools is for Pro Fools. How can you make a
sonic8or wrote: Pro Tools is for Pro Fools.
How can you make a statement like that without making a complete idiot of yourself?
ProTools is the standard. We may not like it but that's the way it is. Making a comparison to Sonar is just ludicrous. I would guess that ProTools has 60% of the market. That leaves the other 40% for the rest of us to share. It's likely that Logic has a good chunk of the pie too. There must be something good about ProTools for so many studios to adopt it.
sonic8or you shouldn't expose yourself in that way..... you mak
sonic8or
you shouldn't expose yourself in that way..... you make yourself seem like a complete idiot....
i bet you haven't had to mix 10 records in a row or do a film mix with 180+ tracks.... in other words pro work.....
while sonar etc. is fine for composing there are a reason so many pro's use protools........
Umm......I use Sonar, mixing 6 albums right now, and my very 1st
Umm......I use Sonar, mixing 6 albums right now, and my very 1st indie project helped the artist land a development deal with Capitol. It also won Best Female Alternative Rock CD of 2005 at http://www.musesmuse.com, out of 760 submissions, many from labels. I'm in Nashville, surrounded by over 1,000 other studios within 20 miles, many with Pro Tools, yet I have more work than I need. Not trying to be arrogant here, but Pro Tools isn't the only method of doing pro work.
I use both Protools and Logic Pro 7. I can say I do love them bo
I use both Protools and Logic Pro 7. I can say I do love them both, but for differnet reasons and for different things. Protools is simple, easy, and a master at audio editing. Logic is very powerful (255 stereo tracks!! which i'll never use :? ), comes with great plug-ins, you can use nodes, and is a great tool for writing a song (scoring, great midi etc.) Both have their faults, Protools LE is limited to 32 tracks, sucks at midi, and you MUST buy better plug-ins (just got waves diamond... now I'm happy :D ), Logic def. takes some time to learn and a whole life time to master (which is cool cause you can always find new things to learn). I use protools when I'm doing anything with a band etc. and Logic when I'm doing rap/r&b stuff, I just feel more comfortable doing those genres in differnet programs, using each programs strengths is a must. I've never used Cubase so I can't comment on it, but I can say Logic+Protools is an amazing combination.