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ThirdBird 17 October 2011

Using a mic on the kick and an overhead, what are some general ways to use software compression?

It is going to be a typical modern rock/pop mix. I know everything is probably close mic'd and/or replaced with samples, but I only have access to this setup.

Mind you, I am not looking for exact knob settings. I want to learn what to listen for, and why certain settings may work. General starting settings are just that, somewhere to start. Here we go:

Use a compressor on the kick track?

What are some rough guidelines to kick compressor settings?
- ratio around 4:1 to 8:1 or more?
- How much gain reduction?
- What about the attack and release? (What is the theory of the sound I should be listening for?)

What about general guidelines for the overhead compression?
- Should I use serial or parallel compression?
- What ratio and gain reduction is alright?
- Again, what should I be looking for in the attack and release?

Thanks for any help!

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Red Mastering Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:38

hey,
at first you can get a great sounding drums recorded on 1 mic only,
and I mean it, I've heard drums recorded by good drummer on good setup in well sounding room..
1 mic,
with 2 just do as you plan - 1 oh and 1 kick - but move it away off kick around 1m, or maybe less - use your ears
if you gonna record it and (as it seems you don't have too much experience) just leave compressors and focus on recording
mic setup/preamp gain / conversion a/d

chavernac Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:06

You could give the kick a bit more punch and make it feel more tight. Use a setting that lets the transient through.
You could use a compressor with a fast attack to control the transients on the whole kit. (fairchild style)
You should check this video out, there is good section on drums compression.
[[url=http://[/URL]="http://puremix.net/…"]Compression Overview - PUREMIX[/]="http://puremix.net/…"]Compression Overview - PUREMIX[/]

RemyRAD Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:27

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I think you need 2 more DB on that Budweiser?
Mx. Remy Ann David

Davedog Wed, 10/19/2011 - 03:34

chavernac, post: 377381 wrote: Yes. We are going to AES. We'll be around the Dangerous Music and Focal Booth. In front of Avid.
Glad you like the site.
Hope to see you there!

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I'd really like it if you or Fab would really discuss things rather than a couple of lines of fluff and then the link to your site.

Also something we've talked about.

If you'd like banner space I'm sure Chris would seriously discuss that with you.

Again. Nice site. If Remy likes it and thinks the content is worthy........it must be. (seriously I like it too) (I just dont like spam......unless its fried with some egg in it)

We really like Pro's and would like you to feel welcome.

RemyRAD Wed, 10/19/2011 - 09:59

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Remember..."Doobie a good B. Don't be a Dolby"? They even demonstrate how to get that tape saturation after digitally recording it. What they don't show is how to properly resynchronize that in your timeline which I'm sure you have to pay for to find those 11 secret herbs and spices. And while it is the spam portion of the program it's almost valid enough for me to see if great minds think alike. I was duly intrigued. We all know things are financially harder these days and excellent production technique went into the making of this. Sure, should probably be some long-distance handshaking along with some $ passed between them and Chris.Actually I felt slightly sorry for them because they had that Neve 55 since, even though it's a Neve it's also a piece of crap designed by Siemens Corporation. The one I used NBC when it was removed and decommissioned, it didn't go up for auction... It went directly into the trash dumpster. LOL, it's true. The older Neve's like mine at least went up for auction. Unfortunately the same was true for the radio consoles at NBC radio DC, dumpster.

I'm proud to be a dumpster diver. I didn't save those NEVE's but I did save all of the API stuff. It was like Christmas for me when NBC converted from analog to digital. Unfortunately I didn't come on board in time to save the box full of RCA 77 DX's they threw out... sniffle, sniff sniff.

I miss working for a network with a big dumpster
Mx. Remy Ann David

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