Hmmm, no mention of standalone recording?
I did the computer based for a while, but never got any higher quality of dynamics or sound than I had from older recordings, I had done with ADAT's, Reel to Reels and even my old TASCAM 4-track cassette recorder if done right and mastered to half-tracker. I am going back to standalone and more analog included. So re-building my studio. Not sure why everyone thinks you HAVE to record to a computer based system. On a pretty small budget I am re-building. Of course mic's and many other gear will not need to be replaced, just the recording, dynamics, effects etc..
Would you make a video for us standalone recorders, who record real people & real instruments (no drum machines etc.), with equally good info?

treidm, post: 372539 wrote: Hmmm, no mention of standalone recording?
I did the computer based for a while, but never got any higher quality of dynamics or sound than I had from older recordings, I had done with ADAT's, Reel to Reels and even my old TASCAM 4-track cassette recorder if done right and mastered to half-tracker. I am going back to standalone and more analog included. So re-building my studio. Not sure why everyone thinks you HAVE to record to a computer based system. On a pretty small budget I am re-building. Of course mic's and many other gear will not need to be replaced, just the recording, dynamics, effects etc..
Would you make a video for us standalone recorders, who record real people & real instruments (no drum machines etc.), with equally good info?

I've read a few of your posts and you keep mentioning that your building an analog only studio because it's easier to get the same or better sound than with a DAW. That's all well and good but it's misleading to the folks in home recording and elsewhere to make the kinds of blanket statements your making about analog vs. digital. Your personal experiences with "the computer based thing" are certainly not what the majority have experienced and I don't feel like I'm going too far out on a limb to suggest that the problem doesn't necessarily lie with your gear.

Or maybe your a troll in which case you will be dealt with.

Either way, if you are having a problem with any gear, this is the right place to post issues or engage in responsible and intelligent discussions regarding the merits of analog vs. digital.

Wow, its been a while since I posted this video. I'm glad to see people watching it and tossing in some comments. This video is not me BTW :wink: Its posted to help our perspective. I agree that the stand alone is another great system and there are quite a few out there worth mentioning. The more systems we have to choose the merrier I say!
As far as which is better... each to his own. I personally am into both analog and digital and I don't feel one is better than the other. I do however feel analog brings a certain sound/colour and warmth ( distortion) to the mix that is not available with a more clinical digital system. Combining the two is pretty cool.

I'll search for a few more video's and post them.

To Ripeart: Notice I said, "than I had from older recordings". This is my subjective analysis about MY recording, not anyone else.
I have no illusions that my skills are not a large factor in anything I do. Gear is a factor also. Budgets can certainly affect things too.

Glad you are watching me so closely, I feel all warm and sqiggly now, thanks....

I'll have to look back at my posts, I may have worded incorrectly?
I AM re-building a studio, since you've made it your business. Yes, I personally will be using lots of analog gear, but will have digital equipment in the chain too.
You do realize when I mentioned my ADAT's as in my older recordings, that ADAT's are digital tape, right?
So NO, I'm not building an analog ONLY studio (My ADAT's aren't going anywhere, and I will have a standalone hard disk 24 bit recorder/mixer). Just building one that works better for my needs.

Quit twisting things to start an argument!
Read my post and the wording.....
I said, I have gotten as good or better with what I did with mostly analog. You aren't going to pull me in to the analog vs digital crap.
All types of recording have their place and some types suit some people better than others. Gee if we all thought the same, we would all have blue Ford trucks and the same hair do.
But you are right that the majority leans towards digital. That is why I posted. This was an excellent video, well thought out. And I'm sure he could make one equally as good, steered towards those that sorry, but may have needs differing from the majority.

To audiokid:

Thanks for responding, I agree, I record both. I think he didn't look at my words carefully enough and thought he was gleaning an anti-digital stance. I certainly couldn't be against digital, I'd have to ditch my ADAT's and how would I burn my CD's?
Don't think many people still listen at home on the RtR or in the car on their cassette deck anymore. :)

But in the recording process, for ME, I like a more hands on "Standalone" approach, and yes I like the sound analog can add to the mix. It may be my shortcomings in my abilities that have led me to this. I don't think so, but some will say, it must be. I can only be ME and record the way I can best benefit those I record for, with the gear I can afford on my budget. The styles of music I record have a large effect on what my gear needed is also. But lastly, I will admit, I DO NOT like recording/mixing/mastering on a computer. But that's me. I'm a 50 something ex-hippy, recording musician, that is going back more old school. ;)

Ha, you sound like me, ex hippy, that was a digital junky now going back to analog, hybrid route. I'm noticing a pleasing mid range that I have never been able to get with digital. We should share notes over time.

cheers

treidm, post: 372714 wrote: To Ripeart: Notice I said, "than I had from older recordings". This is my subjective analysis about MY recording, not anyone else.
I have no illusions that my skills are not a large factor in anything I do. Gear is a factor also. Budgets can certainly affect things too.

Glad you are watching me so closely, I feel all warm and sqiggly now, thanks....

I'll have to look back at my posts, I may have worded incorrectly?
I AM re-building a studio, since you've made it your business. Yes, I personally will be using lots of analog gear, but will have digital equipment in the chain too.
You do realize when I mentioned my ADAT's as in my older recordings, that ADAT's are digital tape, right?
So NO, I'm not building an analog ONLY studio (My ADAT's aren't going anywhere, and I will have a standalone hard disk 24 bit recorder/mixer). Just building one that works better for my needs.

Quit twisting things to start an argument!
Read my post and the wording.....

Yeah sorry man, I guess I read your posts with the wrong perception. From what I've read I think that the industry is returning somewhat to analog gear, like a hybrid mix these days. I actually love analog gear and I think that the best setups are hybrid compositions using quality outboard analog gear, and quality digital plugins, hardware and software.

Again, my apologies, I was taking a break in the middle of a frustratingly late night job when I posted that. I should think twice sometimes! lol

Ripeart, post: 372721 wrote: Yeah sorry man, I guess I read your posts with the wrong perception. From what I've read I think that the industry is returning somewhat to analog gear, like a hybrid mix these days. I actually love analog gear and I think that the best setups are hybrid compositions using quality outboard analog gear, and quality digital plugins, hardware and software.

Again, my apologies, I was taking a break in the middle of a frustratingly late night job when I posted that. I should think twice sometimes! lol

I totally understand, been there! But that's a good thing, you're WORKING OVERTIME! YEAH!

Thanks for the thought, though.

I will also apologize now, to you and all others for my future posts. I never seem to be able to articulate that well in this type of format, my true meanings. I do much better in face to face communication.

I really like the "Hybrid" description. I think I will re-use this terminology. It sounds more progressive rather than just old.

"I will also apologize now, to you and all others for my future posts. I never seem to be able to articulate that well in this type of format,"

No need for that, you are doing a good job of getting a concise description across. The issue is often, as the other poster will support, that there are external factors in the other posters life that push energy into what they may be attempting to say, but the thought gets overshadowed by the restricted desire to strangle your boss.

So, it happens to each of us, but it is good that the proper respect was made available from both of you towards this issue.

Trust me, people see things and act accordingly, I think both of you are going to be fine additions to the community.

audiokid, post: 372715 wrote: Ha, you sound like me, ex hippy, that was a digital junky now going back to analog, hybrid route. I'm noticing a pleasing mid range that I have never been able to get with digital. We should share notes over time.

cheers

I did the same, went almost 95% digital, sold most everything I had built up over the years. Sad thing is when I sold most of it,the market was all about the move to digital, so I sold for such a loss. I should have just stored it all. Now I am reacquiring analog gear again. The problem is much of the older analog gear is now getting pricey again. So, I bought gear, then sold at a loss, now will re-buy at a premium price. CRAP! Oh, I forgot about the loss on selling all my digital gear as a package deal to a guy, but needed the money. That makes me think, I need to go down to the corner store, gotta get some lottery tickets. ;)

treidm, post: 372873 wrote: I did the same, went almost 95% digital, sold most everything I had built up over the years. Sad thing is when I sold most of it,the market was all about the move to digital, so I sold for such a loss. I should have just stored it all. Now I am reacquiring analog gear again. The problem is much of the older analog gear is now getting pricey again. So, I bought gear, then sold at a loss, now will re-buy at a premium price. CRAP! Oh, I forgot about the loss on selling all my digital gear as a package deal to a guy, but needed the money. That makes me think, I need to go down to the corner store, gotta get some lottery tickets. ;)

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Yeah I remember this video, he did a good job giving recommendations. I think he could have mention stand-alone multi-tracks recorders but that's not a big deal since most people use pc-based recording which is kind of the standard today.

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Just curious. Is that a Yamaha console you're using? It looks awful familiar.

'Interesting discussion. I'm a little late to the party, but I remember my Tascam 424 analog cassette deck. 'Still have it actually. 'Can't get good tape for it anymore. The pitch was almost always iffy. Then there were tape dropouts, stretch, and pincher wheel squeal. The monthly degaussing.. Oh what fun! 'Sure recorded guitars and voice well though.

Would I want to go back to tape? 'Probably not.

Hard to compare cassette to reel to reel. That's like comparing a bicycle to a Harley.... or a Honda for that matter.

The tape stretch, breaks, dropouts and degaussing remain however. I'm not wild about computer DAW setups, but some of the beauties of tape had downsides.

I'm new and I found the video quite informative, despite it being a bit dated. Perhaps that's why there was no mention of an interface module to a computer.