Hi again !
Does anyone here have experience with this mic ?
Have anyone ever a/b it with a real u47 (or Neumann's new models m147149)or with the soundelux models?
I've seen some comperisons discussed here, but it was a few years ago and i interested to know about more recent resaults...
Love you all !
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Dude, Even if someone were to compare every mic you could think
Dude, Even if someone were to compare every mic you could think of to another, that would just be their own opinion and would not mean that you would agree and think the same thing. You would find that many original U47's don't sound the same when compared to one another. Lawson has a different version of the 47 mic and they all are different and they all are very good mics.
I agree , i just want to know if the lawson mics are in the same
I agree , i just want to know if the lawson mics are in the same leage with the others.
In israel there is no shops that sell Neumannsoundeluxraunersony c800 ...
The only high end mic being imported is the c12, and just for special orders, so i can't go to any studio to listen to this kind of microphones.
Most of the studio's here are using u87's tlm103's and tons of 414's (there are only two u67's in the country one m49 and one u47fet)
Thats why i'm askin' your opinion ,to get a real studio reference and not untrustable articles... :)
If you can get a copy of Pro Audio Review from Feb1999. They did
If you can get a copy of Pro Audio Review from Feb1999. They did a shootout of the L47 with benchtest specs as well. If I remember its sounded closer to the M49 slightly than the U47.
Check the Lawson site, email or call Gene in Nashville, I'm sure he'll be glad to help.
Always happy to extoll the virtues of my L47. Got it about three
Always happy to extoll the virtues of my L47. Got it about three, four years ago. I've had a U87ai for about 8 years. The L47 is incredible on everything. Nine times out of ten I reach for it instead of the U87. Can't compare it to every other mic out there, but I love it. I've thought about selling the U87 to have a pair of L47s, but the U87 does have it's virtues. And clients like the fact that I have one. But the L47 is great on male or female vox, drum room mic, and acoustic. Guitar amps. everything...
Usually use either API 512s or Vintech 1272. (The U87 really shines on the Vintech...)
I had a early L47mp and a Soundelux U95s. I didn't like either.
I had a early L47mp and a Soundelux U95s. I didn't like either. Both crapped out when the source material, like vocals were closer than 18"(the lawson to a greater extent than the Soundelux). The soundelux was a little darker sounding, not so much top detail, never made it to tape in 5 years other than on kick drum once. I'd say it was very thick sounding, almost too fat to lay in a mix properly. The L47mp was much more detailed, but had a huge peak at about 3.5k, like i said mine would crap out under pressure sounding like I'd compressed the signal beyond control. Neither mic I though worked all that well in the mix. The Lawson made a great mic in front of the drum kit, and was a killer Sax mic, one of the best I ever heard. Since I sold mine I"ve heard Lawson has made some improvements to the mic and the capsule so I can't comment on a brand new one. I also much prefered my Soundelux U195 to the U95s, I use the U195 on nearly every session.
I"m currently very happy with the Neumann M269 I bought with the money I made from selling the above 2. You might be better off getting something like a Neumann M582 with a UM70 capsule, or even a M71(cardiod only)capsule.
Originally posted by Twist Turner: I had a early L47mp and a S
Originally posted by Twist Turner:
I had a early L47mp and a Soundelux U95s. I didn't like either. Both crapped out when the source material, like vocals were closer than 18"(the lawson to a greater extent than the Soundelux). The soundelux was a little darker sounding, not so much top detail, never made it to tape in 5 years other than on kick drum once. I'd say it was very thick sounding, almost too fat to lay in a mix properly. The L47mp was much more detailed, but had a huge peak at about 3.5k, like i said mine would crap out under pressure sounding like I'd compressed the signal beyond control. Neither mic I though worked all that well in the mix. The Lawson made a great mic in front of the drum kit, and was a killer Sax mic, one of the best I ever heard. Since I sold mine I"ve heard Lawson has made some improvements to the mic and the capsule so I can't comment on a brand new one. I also much prefered my Soundelux U195 to the U95s, I use the U195 on nearly every session.I"m currently very happy with the Neumann M269 I bought with the money I made from selling the above 2. You might be better off getting something like a Neumann M582 with a UM70 capsule, or even a M71(cardiod only)capsule.
You're talking about two very fine mics, and somehow you've found that they both happen to crap out if you get closer than 18" to the diapraghm? I've read a lot about both, and never heard this. What do you mean "crapped out"? Are we sure this isn't user error?
You're talking about two very fine mics, and somehow you've foun
You're talking about two very fine mics, and somehow you've found that they both happen to crap out if you get closer than 18" to the diapraghm? I've read a lot about both, and never heard this. What do you mean "crapped out"? Are we sure this isn't user error?
I have definitely had the vocalist make the Lawson "crap out". It actually worked on one song for that modern rock distorted vocal feel.
I have recently had a chance to A/B the Lawson and the Soundelux
I have recently had a chance to A/B the Lawson and the Soundelux. I felt the differences between the two were quite small. I guess the determining factor why I chose the Lawson over the Soundelux was the price difference(almost half the price) and the upgrade ability of the Lawson. Basically, you can add the Lawson 251 capsule and the optional FET electronics to an existing L47 for less than $1400.00 and have sounds of 4 different mics (ie. similar to U47, U47fet, Elam 251, and a 251fet). If you add up how much you spend with the L47 and the extra caps you would have a killer mic system for less than $3500.00. Which is about how much a Soundelux E47 would cost. Add another $4000.00 if you want a Soundelux Elux 251, of which I have also had the chance to compare against the Lawson
L251. I could not be more happy with a mic purchase than with the Lawson system. It definitely blows away the mics you mention like the U87s, C12vrs, TLM103s, and 414s. It definitely hangs with the best of them. I got rid of my C800g to help buy the Lawson and I have no regrets whatsoever. In fact, selling my C800g got me the Lawson complete package and a nice micpre to go with it.
I thought I explaind the crap out thing. Ever stick a compre
I thought I explaind the crap out thing.
Ever stick a compressor in the signal chain and accidetally have the ratio at 20:1, and it just squishes it to death under? Kind like that only minus the compressor. The Soundlex only did this ever so slightly, but with the Lawson is was nearly impossible for me to use for vocalists, unless they were safely 24" from the mic. Dunno if it was the tube or the capsule but what ever it was I never was happy with day one. In retrospect I should have returned it in the initial month, but since i had spent $2000 on it and everyone kept telling me how good it was, I held on to it, and although I tried to like it, rarely did it get used for anything other than sax trax and an ambient drum mic.
This was with V72/V77/Neve,API,Daking, Great River pre's so it wasn't the pres, with or with out compressor in line going strait to an MCI JH24. I"ve been playing music/recording for 40 years so most likely not user error!
IF Lawson got the problems straitened out in the newer versions I"d go with that before say the U95s. But since I haven't heard the newer version of the Lawson I really can't say.
My other large diaphram tube mics (Neumann M269, Neumann M582 w. M71(M7)don't do this. Neither does my vintage RFT CM 7151 Bottle mic with a M7 capsule.
I've had a L47MP for several years now and consider it one of th
I've had a L47MP for several years now and consider it one of the top contenders in my mic locker. I've put it up alongside just about every one of my large diaphragm mics including AUDIO TECHNICA AT 4050/CM5, BLUE BABY BOTTLE, GROOVE TUBES GT-66, MICROTECH GEFELL UM 92S, NEUMANN M 149, NEUMANN TLM103, RODE CLASSIC, RODE NTK, STUDIO PROJECTS T-3, STUDIO PROJECTS C-3, SOUNDELUX ifet7 etc. and it definately has it's uses. Just today I was using it with an ifet7 to track alto sax.
If, as you say the preamps couldn't possibly have been the problem, it must have been a problem with that particular Lawson you were using. However, it does seem unusual to me that you would have similar problems (though to slightly different degrees) with two high quality mics.
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mics also crap out like that when you have a dirty/moist capsule
mics also crap out like that when you have a dirty/moist capsule, when a loud source hits it it shorts out on peaks, I had this happen to my BLUE Dragonfly a few years ago, when i brout in a loud vocalist, specficly when close micing him my mic would crap out (he projected alot) from the same distance I would record another mellower male vocalist and I wouldn't have my mic crap out. First I thought I was overloading my pre, but after sending it out the mic tech said there was sediment and a little film of spit (most likely when I was doing close miced speach with no pop screen). Maybe its just your mic.
Originally posted by Twist Turner: Both crapped out when the s
Originally posted by Twist Turner:
Both crapped out when the source material, like vocals were closer than 18"(the lawson to a greater extent than the Soundelux).
dude, you shoulda returned it to get fixed, though if you had the prob. w/both mics (i've never had that problem myself in 6 yrs/ w/the Lawson, nor heard anyone mention that problem for either mic) then i suspect you had other studio issues.... and i prefer to track vox as close as possible, like inches away. very versatile mic.
I do work for a post studio that had a U47 and an L47 at the sam
I do work for a post studio that had a U47 and an L47 at the same time for a trial period. They didn't sound exactly alike but had a lot in common. I will say the the U47 didn't sound as good as some I've heard. Long story short, they kept the Lawson and ditched the U47. The continuously variable polar pattern of the L47 is great. Depending on which side you stray of Cardioid you can dial in tones that are evocotive of a C12 even. Hands down this best mic for the money. You can even buy new capsule heads for it down the road. When I'm done with all my bench projects I'm buying a Lawson for my home studio.