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Cresta 1 February 2006

greetings to all, this is my first post here so I don't even know if it's the right place :lol: (moderators, please be patients :oops: ).

The question: to record a guitar with the most realistic results, with the exception of using a true mic and a true amp, which choice is better:

1) V-amp
2) POD
3) Guitar Rig (or some other software amp modeler)

and... the reasons?

but, even more important: does exist any amp emulator which is better of those two?

thanks :)

Comments

moonbaby Wed, 02/01/2006 - 06:56

The POD has its place, and maybe that's what you should look at. I NEVER recommend a Behringer product, but many people have been happy with the V-amp, so I will only say that the quality isn't up to even the POD. Are you the player? I have many issues with a PC-based system like Guitar Rig, mainly due to latency problems. Line 6 has been very good about updating and supporting the POD over the years. I use mine both "direct" and into a small Fender tube amp that I mic up. no complaints here!

anonymous Wed, 02/01/2006 - 09:52

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject:

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The POD has its place, and maybe that's what you should look at. I NEVER recommend a Behringer product, but many people have been happy with the V-amp, so I will only say that the quality isn't up to even the POD. Are you the player? I have many issues with a PC-based system like Guitar Rig, mainly due to latency problems. Line 6 has been very good about updating and supporting the POD over the years. I use mine both "direct" and into a small Fender tube amp that I mic up. no complaints here!

Agreed, the pod is really the only one I would consider from your list. And I'll add that, as moonbaby said, the pod does have it's place, but don't expect it to be the "end all be all" of guitar tone. You can get some great sounds out of it, but the JCM 800 model on the pod next to a real JCM 800 isn't going to win any awards.

Wes

Cresta Wed, 02/01/2006 - 11:32

thanks for both answers :)
uhm... actually I use Guitar Rig, and for most of things is good enough, latency is not that bad if ASIO driver are properly configured (i.e. I play and didn't notice the latency, it actually is something like 7ms), but the thing I miss the most is that "feeling" rich of harmonics while in distorsion mode, a brilliant sound on clean channel. Unfortunately I cannot play loud (damn apartaments!!! :evil: ) and I cannot record the traditional way, so I must look for something like POD :(

and about something that is even better than POD? any news?

anonymous Wed, 02/01/2006 - 14:50

In terms of amp modelling, Behringer Vamp is the best... Hands down. if my powersupply wasn't damaged (Stood on it by accident), i'd use it for everything.

However, when i record, i use Guitar rig 2 as it's now become my new favourite. It's versability is second to one and the reamping makes life so much easier.

Go with your ears bro.

I personally hate line 6 though... Pods are just horible.

anonymous Thu, 02/02/2006 - 06:20

I can achieve very useable tones in Guitar Rig/Guitar Rig 2, by going direct in with a Metalzone for those gainy, death-metal distortion sounds. I've got a pretty nice 'dying fetus-esque' rig which involves the splitter, jazz amp and bass amp. Sounds very nice.

The only problem is that you get quite a bit of mud when you palm mute.

Cresta Fri, 02/03/2006 - 06:12

I've downloaded yesterday the demo version of latest Guitar Rig 2...
one word: impressive! :shock:
it cannot even be compared to previous release, the quality of emulation is faaaaaaaaaaar superior, and I think it is even better than POD XT.

but I am lot curious: how much for a Vox Valvtronix? :)

thanks again for all answers :)

anonymous Fri, 02/03/2006 - 09:27

I wouldn't say that Guitar Rig 2 is better than the PodXT...for one, the gain models in Guitar Rig STILL suck (but to be fair, it's doing a pretty good job of it for a computer based solution), and there isn't really a whole load of differentiation between amp models...they all sound kind of the same to me. The effects are pretty decent though, and the Octaver has been given a well deserved overhaul...it's now pretty damn accurate.

If I was choosing between GR2 and the XT, I'd definitely have to go with the XT.

I can't wait to see the new Amplitube though!

Jeemy Sat, 02/04/2006 - 09:51

There are also the isolation cabs with built in mics to consider. They cost about the same as a pod i think.

If its something you are serious about and you have a decent power stage, I think you will get better results with this than with a POD or any other emulator, and it won't bring the neighbours around with blunderbuses and pitchforks.

However i think the appeal of the POD is that there is a lot of variety, reverb, wahs and stuff on there (right?) so you may feel you get more bang for your buck that way.

I think the iso cab would be the sensible long-term option. If you do buy the pod, buy it secondhand. At least when you tire of it (and you will) you can sell it for minimal loss, dependent how the technology has been superceded.

Tommy P. Sat, 02/04/2006 - 11:52

Cresta wrote: uhm... I've seen some, but I think I would need to try them in my house before buying one.
About reverb and others effects: I think that is not a problem, since I can apply them during post-production...

You can easily build an isolation cabinet and put a small watt (8-15 watts) amp in the cab and crank it. Do you have a spare closet you could soundproof with some insulation and carpet? Peter Frampton has a picture of his portable isolated rig on his website, I think. They put the thing backstage and mike it. Humble Pie tones. 8-)

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