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How to make a guitar transparent ?

When i think about ART looking at something that is transparent
you can see through it but there is still colour and something
on the picture but the picture is just transparent.

How can i do this a guitar or vocal source to make it transparent
like how ART does transparent art.

Would it be layering the guitar but some how make the guitar
audio clip transparent see through?

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jonnyc Thu, 05/05/2005 - 14:21

I'm not sure the greatest engineer in the world could answer this question. You say you want your music "see thru like art sees thru a picture" wtf are you talking about. Stop giving us analogies and tell us what you're wanting. I assume that you know music can't literally be transparent or see thru because sound waves are not visible so what in the world are you talking about.

anonymous Thu, 05/05/2005 - 14:32

transparent -
1.) can hear through it.
2.) superimpose tracks

I got 4 tracks right now in pro tools how do i make them so i can hear through it like its transparent. It might be to be superimposed tracks as im thinking i never done superimposing can someone help me please on about superimposing tracks and making them to hear throught it?

Lets just take 1 track audio souce

how to make it so i can hearing through it so the track or audio is transparent making the audio so i can hear through like " transparent art" can see through it with audio its can HEAR through it how do i do this.

it might need to be superimposed on its self superimposing with different EQs but i don't know how to sumperimpose in pro tools?

Kev Thu, 05/05/2005 - 15:34

:(

superimposed
bleed through
phase

you keep using these words and we give the answers

but i don't know how to sumperimpose in pro tools?

make a duplicate of the track and use any number of plugs and you will get a shift in phase and or a shift in time ... depending on which version of tools you are using

if you still need more shift then ... nudge it !!

using filters will cause a change is phase shift across the total frequency resp of the sound and this does include simple EQ curves

use some saturation effects and light distortion to help create a bounced feel

" transparent art "

yes there is an art
and if it were easy we would all have a Grammy and be living in multimillion dollar apartments ... and probably not be here answering your questions

keep practicing the art

jonnyc Thu, 05/05/2005 - 16:47

what hospital let this guy out? if you want one track that you can hear thru then you must have a track that you want to hear besides that one. i can't believe I'm trying to answer this. it seems like your talking about backing or backup tracks, like a track in the background of the real track, am i anywhere close here. if this is the case turn the track you want "transparent" down and viola

Davedog Thu, 05/05/2005 - 18:30

Patience patience children....this is obviously a language barrier thing.
Walters:
Kev gave you the answers..Try lots of things....Back up all your tracks and EXPERIMENT!

Find someone who speaks English better and can type a better translation of your thoughts and questions.Everyone would truly love to help....its just that its hard to decipher what you're asking....through no fault of anyone...

Markd102 Thu, 05/05/2005 - 19:30

Superimpose is a graphic art term..... In the audio world it's simply known as mixing.

And audio itself is not transparent. Microphones and preamps are often described a transparent if they let the natural sound of the instrument shine through with no coloration.

So if what you want to know is how to give each instrument its own sonic space within a mix, then the short answer is EQ. remove/reduce frequencies where two or more instruments are fighting for the same sonic space.
This job gets a heck of a lot easier when you record with top quality equipment.

I hope this helps you.

jonnyc Thu, 05/05/2005 - 22:00

Walters I'm not sure that exactly what you are talking about is possible. You can't or don't lay a track over top of another track which is what I'm guessing is what you think superimposing audio is. If you want all your tracks to come thru clearly then you'll need to eq so you can set each instrument where it needs to be. typically if you have a bunch of that same frequencies using the same space it can come out like mud or unclear. this is what mixing is, part of the art of producing and recording music. if it were as simple as taking all the tracks superimposing them and its perfect then there wouldn't be a need for mixing and mastering. here's an example. i record rock bands and you typically have 20 plus tracks to mix together. i used to try to mix the kick drum by itself, and when i'd get to where i thought it was perfect i'd bring up the rest of the mix and it'd sound like total shit. so you can't take what you think is two seperately good tracks and just superimpose them, you have to mix them together.

anonymous Fri, 05/06/2005 - 13:44

Markd102,

When your talking about about removing and reduce frequencies to help create space, what amount of bandwith are we talking about? Medium amount, really small? I'm just trying to find a good starting point because I heard about a technique like this when trying to seperate kick drum from bass guitar.

jonnyc Fri, 05/06/2005 - 17:41

Hey walters what in the world are you talking about now? Did you happen to read what I told you before? Cause it really doesn't seem like it you just keep throwing these bizzare non musical terms out there. What you are wanting to do is called MIXING. OK MIXING. This is where you MIX all the different instruments together. You can make one instrument stand out above the others, you can make one a background noise, you can do pretty much what you can think of. I think the word you're trying to use is translucent which means you can see thru it but its a bit cloudy, never heard it used in music. Do you even use anything to record music? Have you ever recorded music? and how old are you?

anonymous Fri, 05/06/2005 - 22:04

1.) ok i record a keyboard pad sound and the keyboard patch sound has a sweep
sweeping the frequency response of the patch thats on track#1

2.) Track#2 i record a guitar

3.) i bounce Track#1 and #2 to track#3

4.) Now track#1 and track#2 are superimposed

a.) Which Track is on top which is on the bottom?

b.) i would like to put the keyboard pad on the bottom?
how do i do this?

5.) Once i got the keyboard pad on the bottom and the guitar on the top i can have the keyboard pad sweeping its frequency THROUGH the guitar HOLES in the Spectum. So the guitar is very Clear and Light letting the keyboard pan sweeping its frequency response THROUGH the guitar track how do i do this?

6.) Just like the Sun shining through the clouds or the sun shining through the Tree leaves just stricks of it get through or maybe more

7.) How do i do this?

anonymous Fri, 05/06/2005 - 23:26

was thinking about that too mixing outside of the box breaking the rules right now everyones been so brainwashed and not thinking out side of the box of mixing

Right now the audio tracks are SOLID and audio can't pass through it , and if it does it gets muddy so have to make the Solid audio source not solid and clear easy to shine light through for our Eyes but easy for sound to project through it for our ears

how would i do your concept about the invisible?

Do you mean moving the faders up and down on two audio sources in a Mono mix but thats just contrast one is in the background and on is in front but its not invisible or transparent

Transparent or transludants to me is:

1.) Letting the Background audio source pass through the front audio sounce like its Clear like "Water"

how do i do this?

making the audio source clear like water so the background track underneath it can pass through it like Light passing through a Window?

anonymous Sat, 05/07/2005 - 00:43

i hear things On top and on bottom if you put the fader to like volume 2 in the background its going to be on the bottom from another track that has a volume of like 8 its in front thats how mono is done by volumes to create Layers Top and Bottom Layering by using Volumes but they are Solid layers

Im looking for Transparent or tranludants LAYERING not solid

jonnyc Sat, 05/07/2005 - 08:20

Walters what you are talking about may seem like thinking outside the box to you, but its not, its just uneducated. What you want to do is somewhat difficult if you have no clue what you're doing. so you want the keyboards under the guitars but when the guitars aren't loud you want the keyboards to fill in. first off you don't need to bounce the two tracks together, there doesn't seem to be a point to do that in your case. In my program and every other one i've heard of you can go into the track and actually adjust the volumes thru the entire song. I'm going to try to keep this as elementary as possible. if you like the volume of the guitar then forget about it don't touch it, work on getting the keyboard where you want it. have you ever seen a pro studio video where you see the faders on the board flyin all over the place? those are volume changes throughout the individual tracks, i think this is called automation, could be wrong sometimes i get terms confused. if you can figure out how to automate in your system then you can adjust how far in the background and how forward you want things. other than that man i don't know how to tell you to do what you're talking about.