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Apparently they are still sold. Smack whoever told you otherwise.

Thanks a million..

Yes Ill smack that ########

I almost got scared..now I am convinced..

Thanks again

with all due respect...i am absolutely the guy who started the whole get the MSP5 monitors on this specific forum.

I have now used a monitor I like even better...for about the same price (maybe a hair cheaper)..these are imo awesome units that are very small but sound big and you can't blow them 'cause they're protected. They shoiuldn't hold you back an any way.

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hi recorderman,

oh, for once on this forum that i see someone having used genelecs (specially the whole 8000 series...) and said something good about them, i love em' too.

very decent, brutally loud for the size(s) that's sometimes rather usefull to have at least the possibilty of a full blast, and also rock sturdy, nice for on location use and lugging 'em around. also easy to "configure" them for your room, if you don't have the possibilty or the money to treat it propperly... nice working horses indeed at a good price point.

:D

The MSP5 has been discontinued, but there are companies that still have truckloads of em. The reason why they were discontinued.....the Yamaha HS50M is out and being marketed as the replacement for the NS-10.

That is pretty cool, but I haven't heard the HS50M's to see if they are even remotely similar to the NS10.

BUT THEY HAVE WHITE CONES!!!!!

Hahaha....exactly....they have white cones that automatically will put them in the hands of many people that think they are getting an NS10. The cone of the HS50M and the NS10 are made from two completely different materials, but as long as it is white....these puppies must be awesome!!! (Sarcasm of course)

BUT, Yamaha does NOT put out "shitty" monitors. The NS10 sounds terrible, but is very useful. The MSP5's are very accurate with a great price tag. The HS50M looks like an NS10, is priced lower than MSP5's, and hopefully it picks up where the NS10 left off like their (Yamaha) marketing implies.

Yamaha has never given me the impression of being a deceiving company that would use clever marketing to trick buyers into purchasing trash. For $400 you are getting a pair of monitors that are comparably priced to what the NS10 sold for.

I'm going to put it like this......even if the HS50M is just as good as an MSP5, but with a white cone.....you are getting a damn fine monitor at a bargain price with a look that clients are probably familiar with. Thats the name of the game! How many people get phone calls from clients asking if you have Pro Tools or Avalon preamps and that is their decided factor to work with you. How many of you have bought a piece of gear just to attract clients.

I can ramble forever, and I already threw this off topic....sorry.

How 'bout the 8" version? Anyone listen to them yet?
Probly knot...

seems to be the only forum i found thru google that's actually talking about the hs50m?! heh!

interesting stuff... i managed to compare the specs of the msp5a and the hs50m. on a quick look, they both seem to have similar features
http://www2.yamaha… msp5a (196kb) vs [[url=http://="http://www2.yamaha… hs50m (1.1mb)

and true enough, albeit a few features that the hs50 doesnt have compared to the msp5. but nah, it's all good - those features were probably old anyway and yamaha wouldnt take off some necessary features on a NEWER set of reference monitors anyway would they... erm, wait. would they?

that got me asking myself. as i dug in deeper into those pdf manuals from the japan yamaha site, guess what i found:

yamaha hs50m:
Overall Frequency Response... 55 Hz—20 kHz (-10 dB)

woah! -10db? i remember the last time those -10db numbers appear in the specs of a pair of reference monitors - the day behringer came out with their 'budget' truths. now, i've got nothing against behringer, but personally, if i was gonna get yamaha monitors, i def wouldnt wanna get something that i could get from behringer instead for less the price.

i chased after a rep from yamaha (by phone of course, music companies dont seem to have time for emails these days. how ironic is that? heh!) and asked him to clarify.

it turns out, here's what i managed to dig out from him. firstly, i was also obviously intrigued by the price of the hs50m ("how can it be newer, and LOOKS better than the msp5, but cheaper?"). secondly, i wanted to upgrade from my current msp3 to the msp5, till i put everything on hold coz i saw the new hs50 about to be released soon.

anyway, based on my scenario, he actually told me to go with the msp5 option for a few reasons;
i. the hs50m altho seem to have similar specs to the msp5, the latter actually has more features.
ii. the new hs50m is (reverse-engineered?) and made in china, hence the price.

thats it. i'm sure its gonna be a preference thing when it comes to deciding which one's ultimately better, but it seems that, rumours aside, the new hs50m is NOT a replacement for the msp5 anyway.

and i'm still contemplating.

I got to hear the HS50M's two days ago.....all I have to say is they sound really wierd!!!!

get the genelecs, even my yamaha rep says soo!!!!!! for real not joking :lol: i got the 8030a's love em for the $$$$

therecordingart wrote: I got to hear the HS50M's two days ago.....all I have to say is they sound really wierd!!!!

hahahh! weird i what way?

I didn't have the time to get into the science, but I flipped between the HS50M's, KRK V6's, Dynaudio BM5a's, and BX5a's just for a low cost comparison.

The HS50M's sound like a stereo system compared to these instead of like monitors. The mid's are wierd and there is a lack of low end. I didn't check the back of them for any switches to see if the could've been set up funny. (I listened at GC and who knows what the hell they did).

I will say that the sound was cool, but nowhere near "accurate" in the sense of sounding like a monitor.

i see.

i wonder if HS stands for "home studio"

therecordingart wrote: I will say that the sound was cool, but nowhere near "accurate" in the sense of sounding like a monitor.

Hmm.. that's exactly what every used to say about the NS10Ms.. personally I feel that you can't truly know the "accuracy" of any given speakers until you've done a mix on them. Anyone who posted here saying that have a pair of HS50s or HS80s done a mix on them yet? How well did it translate?

NS10s have always sounded hi-fi and lacking in bottom end.. but it works right?

Just a thought. I'm not holding my breath for the HS80s to be the NS10 replacement, but I wouldn't rule it out just because it sounded "too hifi".. that would almost earmark it as a true contender!

I actually have done alot of research on the Ns10 and the Hs50m.
I own a pair of the Hs50m and I love them. I have mixed on the Msp5 and on the Hs50m. I Have found that with the Hs50m, I can hear things I didnt hear before (sound familiar) and the most common things said about an Ns10, have become realized in my personal experience by using the new Hs50m. By the way; even though the Hs series monitors are being made in china, Yamaha still has complete control over the actual manufacture end of the deal. Yamaha owns their own factory and is not OEM'ing out their production. (Quoted by district manager of Yamaha Corp.)

i havent heard the ns10 for a while, but ive got the msp5 and the hs50m sounds NOWHERE as accurate as the msp5. my previous msp3 sounded close to the new hs50m tho, albeit the more hifi sound on the hs50m, exactly as pointed out by therecordingart in this thread.

well, after AB-ing between my previous msp3, and my new msp5 and the *take-home-to-try* hs50m (dont you just love some audio stores that does that? lol!), i personally think that the msp5 is definitely better than the msp3 and the hs50m, altho sounds almost similar to the msp3, hs50m has far too much hifi-ish coloration for it to be used in a professional audio environment as monitor speakers.

Eh.. I'll say it again, this is almost dejavu.. everything you are saying is exactly what everyone was saying about the NS10s 30 years ago (not that I was around, but I've read it all ;).. so, please could someone do a full blown mix on a pair of HS80s and let us know how it translates? That, at the end of the day, is what mixing is all about.

We've already got good "main" speakers, what I'm after is a 2nd reference set to mix on which I know will translate well in the real world.

I've heard the MSP5s and am very impressed with them, but there's a pair of NS10Ms in every major studio in the world, the MSP5s are in none of them. There's a reason for that..

//m

Matt_Trix wrote: but there's a pair of NS10Ms in every major studio in the world, the MSP5s are in none of them. There's a reason for that..

the reason for that is because everybody decided that at that time, everybody needed a monitor system that everyone can have - coz if you think about it, when everybody has the same one, engineers at the time thought they could standardize their communication (ie/if it sounds like this to you, the next guy will know what you're talking about because both people are on the same system.

the reason why the msp5 is not as *legendary* (so to speak) in that sense, is because it was spawned in an age where a lot of other options are available, unlike the time where ns10 was at.

so really if you think about it, i think *sound* doesnt have anthing to do with the success(?) of the ns10.

even if you look for (even google?!) recent interviews of engineers from that time, you can see a pattern of them saying they had to a lot of listening compensation during mixing because of the nature of the ns10. but obviously it wasnt much of a problem since everybody (most people at that time) had to do the same thing as you as well, since they're on the same speakers!

Matt_Trix wrote: what I'm after is a 2nd reference set to mix on which I know will translate well in the real world.

thats easy! get a boombox. you dont get more real world than that ;)

Matt_Trix wrote: there's a pair of NS10Ms in every major studio in the world, the MSP5s are in none of them. There's a reason for that

I owned a pair of Yamaha NS-10's. They were overhyped IMHO. They really had alot of highend (treble), and the roll off was "way" to high for me (not enough lowend response). IMHO
Also listening to the NS-10's (hour after hour) my ears would be so fatiged. It was like a work out for your ears. At first their nice, hours later, you just need a break.
I no longer use the Yahama's for mixdown, and as a result, I no longer need to take the (hour or two) break I used to need after mixingdown with the NS-10's.
I have NOT heard the msp5's. They may sound WAY better than the ol' Yamaha NS-10's. But the Yamaha's were NEVER designed as near field reference monitors in the first place.
They were book shelf speakers introduced by Yamaha, that (only through word of mouth) became the ledgedary NS-10S.

And like frik said "because they were spawned in an age" when home studios were not possible, and NOT taken seriously.
It's way different now adays. There's a home studio on darn near every block in every city.
And the NS-10's were the only (realistic) option, for the evolution of the home based studio. What else would you use back in those days?
Now adays you have like 30 companies, and 2 or 3 models from each company to choose from. But, back in the day, there was the Yamaha (book shelf speakers with flat response) and they were the only near field monitors that were "talked about".

Guys, I do appreciate your thoughtful responses but it's really simple. I love the way mixes translate from NS10s and I want a modern equivalent of the NS10s. That's all, no more, no less. I'm not going to get into an argument and sonic performance and mix translation of NS10s because there has been millions of those over the years and it's fruitless. The proof is in the pudding.

I'm interested to hear from anyone who has mixed on the HS80s, preferrably if they have also mixed on the NS10s in the past but I'll be happy if they make their living from mixing and have a feel for how the mix translates.

Cheers,
Matt

My two cents is that if you want something that translates as well as the NS10-s, you should look at closed boxes (infinite baffle). Having listened through every ported speaker I could find, I stayed off them all. Ended up with ATC SMC-20 Pro (not the home version), and, well they are a bit more than 2 cents. Not a single regret.

Gunnar.

just came from a mastering studio that has a now-redundant ns10! had quite a conversation with the engineers there... i still think if people need something that ultimately translate to a consumer frequency response, ns10 is far from it. maybe it can translate mixes of consumer speakers from the 80s but the use for it these days just doesnt have any logic, imo.

if you think about it, all the modern sonys and aiwas out there tend to have really heavy mid low <100hz - something that the ns10 lacks. the mids of the ns10 is known to have a rise in its' response, and with today's smiley freq response known to be applied to modern consumer speakers, it just doesnt make any sense to be using ns10, or anything equavalent.

i did suggest a 'hypothetical' case to the engineers while we were talking: "wouldnt it be great to have a modern ns10, in the sense that it could translate consumer speakers better than almost-flat-freq-response monitors?"

heh! didnt i get a verbal beating!! they thought that was like asking, "why cant we master in mp3 quality and monitor on our ipod earphones? that's bloody consumer right there isnt it?!"

it made sense to me then, and from their disgusted looks, i knew that was a question that is indeed quite sensitve for very obvious reasons and logic. heh!