Hey!
JohnTodd has a new album out and there are some great songs on it! He was kind enough to allow me to play with this track "I'll Be There" So below is the journey.
Kudo's John!
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PLEASE NOTE: I'm doing this to engage us all, not to prove I am some mixing god etc. However, I also have some nice equipment so I thought it would be right on if I could help him out by trying to make it a little better. In the process, what a great way to engage people by sharing what I'm doing and to also welcome advice from our members too. I want to see this new forum "Track Talk" grow so I'm diving in ya all, all in the name of learning and having fun.
This is such a beautiful song, I think it would make a great mix contest. But for now, this thread is a continuation of more mix's
The Tracks:
There are 30 tracks. Only 1 stereo drum track, a few guitars, a few keys, and a lot of vocals.
Enjoy!
EDIT
Song completed, Who's Next?
This thread is discussing mixing process with one of John's song. Its also part of the continued discussion I am preparing for with a Mix Contest ( not necessarily with this song).
Most of the reference tracks in this thread have now been unfortunately removed to conserve Dropbox space, leaving way for future projects but my final mix prior to mastering is still online. I ended up using my own drum tracks and finished it off with a few analog goodies.
Enjoy whats left of this discussion.
Comments
Don, Keep going! It was a challenge lining things up and spaci
Don,
Keep going! It was a challenge lining things up and spacing it all out for me too. You will learn a lot from this. Keep going.
audiokid, post: 387156 wrote: Don, Keep going! It was a challe
When I imported all the tracks they all "sounded" like they lined up and they all snapped in at 0:00?
So I'll keep going and try and do the things you suggested to start.
Everything I downloaded when I imported them into Cubase were all stereo tracks...is that what they all were?
I thought maybe they would all be mono tracks?
Maybe I imported them wrong to begin with.
John, Don... Remy is in! REMY ROCKS! Don, are the tracks all
John, Don... Remy is in! REMY ROCKS!
Don, are the tracks all in tack and online ready for REMY?
djmukilteo, post: 387158 wrote: When I imported all the tracks t
YUP! This is part of the puzzle. Stereo tracks that should or should not.... be mono may or may not work for you.smoke
From start to finish, I had to do things to the tracks to get it to sound the way it does. Others may do things differently. Many major tips are in the threads here. And a few I removed cause I don't want to give it all away lol!
audiokid, post: 387159 wrote: John, Don... Remy is in! REMY ROC
I only see two tracks in the shared folder? one .rar and one .wav.
Does this mean I have to move the tracks I moved on my computer back into that I'll Be There folder and upload again?
Hi Don, Yes, otherwise John has to re upload it all over again
Hi Don,
Yes, otherwise John has to re upload it all over again and he is on slow speed. Can you upload all the tracks, uncompressed this time and I'll grab them on my end ( (don't put them back as .rar).
I'll check them all and set-it up for REMY!
Ah, I see five .rar files and the main Vox track ( plus the dru
Ah, I see five .rar files and the main Vox track ( plus the drum folder). I don't have an expander for .rar. But that being said, is that the works ( all the tracks?) . Are they all ready to download ?
I think all of the stuff John uploaded are in there now. I moved
I think all of the stuff John uploaded are in there now. I moved mine back into my local DB folder on my computer and they show up now in the online shared folder.
There was stuff in your audiokid folder too...but that is empty
audiokid, post: 387165 wrote: Ah, I see five .rar files and the
I had to download "7zip" which does rar files and is free!
I can upload the wav files if need be.
I can upload the wav files if need be.
Awesome. I don't want to install anything on my machine here tha
Awesome. I don't want to install anything on my machine here that isn't part of win7 already. If you can zip it all in one folder, that would be choice!
DB won't let me upload the individual wav files because I only h
DB won't let me upload the individual wav files because I only have 1Gb left now and they are over 4Gb by themselves.
All the tracks are there in those compressed zip and rar files so it would be best to download those and get a free rar extractor.
I'll try to "zip" the individual files now and see how big that is but it may take some time to upload that.
It will be over 2Gb.
Okay, I installed 7zip and unpacked them all, thanks! I'm miss
Okay, I installed 7zip and unpacked them all, thanks!
I'm missing tracks 3 and 4? Do you have those Don or John? upload them again if you don't mind?
A zip file with the individual tracks is uploading into the I'll
A zip file with the individual tracks is uploading into the I'll Be There folder!
It's 1.05Gb
My DB upload speed here is saying around 400k/sec so it will be around 45 minutes before it's there!
audiokid, post: 387175 wrote: Okay, I installed 7zip and unpacke
Haha I'll cancel the zip then....
I never saw a 3 or 4 track
yes, cancel. thumb Re tracks 3&4 Well that didn't help you muc
yes, cancel. thumb
Re tracks 3&4 Well that didn't help you much. Maybe that's all there is. I'll check my session. Stand by...
Tracks 3 & 4 are the soprano tracks.
Tracks 3 & 4 are the soprano tracks.
I've lost track of what is going on...but if anybody needs some
I've lost track of what is going on...but if anybody needs some tracks I can send them up again.
AWESOME. Upload tracks 3 and 4. The Soprano tracks.
AWESOME.
Upload tracks 3 and 4. The Soprano tracks.
SOP 3+4 are inbound to teh Ill Be THere folder. Next time, if
SOP 3+4 are inbound to teh Ill Be THere folder.
Next time, if you open stuff like this as a contest, I can upload all over again, just let me have 3-4 days to get them all uploaded. That way, no confusion come contest time.
We're all learning here. Good stuff!
I'm confused with the stereo vs mono tracks and maybe John can e
I'm confused with the stereo vs mono tracks and maybe John can explain this because he uses Cubase.
If I import a track into Cubase it comes in stereo with two waveforms in the track graphic and not one?
Is there something I'm doing wrong. Shouldn't these be one waveform and a mono channel?
yes, absolutely. Its the Dropbox that has been confusing. We've
yes, absolutely. Its the Dropbox that has been confusing. We've discovered that moving files around on our own PC effect whats online for to the shared folders ( Don, audiokid, John). Only way to preserve whats online is to be sure to use HD that are not on the same shared Shared Dropbox folders. make sense? Copy data to separate folders.
djmukilteo, post: 387194 wrote: I'm confused with the stereo vs
I asked the same question Don, and wondered if this was unique to Sequoia. When John saved all the tracks, he saved everything as stereo tracks when some should have been mono tracks. Its an easy fix and part of the puzzle. If this was a mix contest, this would be part of the fun. Look or listen to the tracks that are the same, then split them, delete the dup and make it mono. Then... this tricks begin.
7zip is very cool. Can people on Mac open those up?
7zip is very cool. Can people on Mac open those up?
If you "copy" those tracks to a separate folder then you are jus
If you "copy" those tracks to a separate folder then you are just duplicating the file somewhere else and there's no point to that. You already have the tracks on your computer in the DB folder.
The problem is we free space users will run out of space eventually and the only way to retain the files is to "move" them off to another folder, which free's up our account space but then deletes those for anyone else!
I'm sure this is DB way of getting us all to buy space!...LOL
Maybe a better way is have the source track person place their zip files in their "Public" folder and post the public link either in a forum post or via personal email. (Which some people might not want to do.)
But that way we can save the file where ever we like and there is no "syncing" going on.
The source person then controls the file that way. If they are a free space user then they'll have to post as much as is allowed, wait for everyone to download, then delete and repeat until everyone has all the files.
In our case it would have ended up with (2) 2Gb zip files one at a time for John to upload, then we each download them, let John know when we had them...and then he does another 2Gb zip.
Anyone who comes in late would be out of luck.
On this stereo/mono track deal....are the 2 waveforms that come in stereo....2 indentical mono tracks?
So what your hearing is both and wouldn't that "add" levels that way?
I did try "splitting" them and putting just one wavform on a mono track and I guess that seems to work! Cubase does asks you if you want to "split" and put on "different" tracks...but that seems confusing to me!
This could be something that has to happen when you export.....you need to export as a mono track rather than stereo
John....did you export each track as mono or stereo?
Well said Don, I'm uploading all the tracks to my public folder
Well said Don,
I'm uploading all the tracks to my public folder, should almost be done. Its only 1.29 gig zipped. I have 4.75 available.
djmukilteo, post: 387199 wrote: On this stereo/mono track deal
I asked this question early on. He saved them all as stereo. Split them, delete the dups and pan to taste.
audiokid, post: 387198 wrote: 7zip is very cool. Can people on M
I don't see a Mac version.
audiokid, post: 387198 wrote: 7zip is very cool. Can people on M
Seems to be all versions here:
[[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.7-zip.or…"]Download[/]="http://www.7-zip.or…"]Download[/]
For Mac, this seems to be the best:
OS 10.6 or greater :
http://www.kekaosx.com/en/index.php
Mac OS X 10.5 or newer: Keka 1.0.1 Leopard (4.8 MB)
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger version: Keka 0.1.2.1 Tiger (4,7 MB)
I seem to be missing tracks....was there a track 1? also no trac
I seem to be missing tracks....was there a track 1?
also no track 25 or 26 in my list.
The list has 31 tracks total.
The drum track #27....I have one that is all the drums together and then 9 separate 27 tracks?...is that what you have?
Track one is the reference track. Johns master of the original.
Track one is the reference track. Johns master of the original. Do you have it? I'll check for more. A few were empty. stand by...
No. Missing #1 Do you have a track 25 and 26? BTW the I'll Be
No. Missing #1
Do you have a track 25 and 26?
BTW the I'll Be There folder is empty again now!
I know, making way for a better setup here. This is a bloody nig
I know, making way for a better setup here. This is a bloody nightmare lol. They have this pretty well figured out.
John, 25 and 26 are missing for Don and REMY. Can you please upl
John, 25 and 26 are missing for Don and REMY. Can you please upload those again. I have them but they are in Sequoia so not useable for them.
25+26 are omitted material - they were electric guitar solos I c
25+26 are omitted material - they were electric guitar solos I cut out.
In the Ill Be There folder now is a .JPG file that has the list of tracks as named on my end. This list is all of them.
Perfect! Great idea adding that list John Thanks.
Perfect! Great idea adding that list John Thanks.
Okay, they are all the public folder and I still have 2.75 gig
Okay, they are all the public folder and I still have 2.75 gig available. REMY can download them now. What a PITA it is uploading. Slow indeed.
If others want to participate, Contact me or John for the links to all the tracks. This in an invite through request only.
Sorry for these newb questions, but I'm still trying to learn an
Sorry for these newb questions, but I'm still trying to learn and do this properly.
I've started a brand new project.
I have all the tracks loaded now and have managed to sort them all out to single waveform mono tracks!!..whew!
I have put all the BGV on a bus.
ACGtr's on a bus
ELGtr's on a bus
Drum track and Latin track on a bus.
Pad and synth tracks on a bus.
Bass and lead VOX are each on their for right now...but maybe they should be on a bus?
I'm wondering if I should be using the individual drum tracks instead of the single drum track?
But for now I have 7 stereo stems going...
So that's where I'm starting, unless you have better suggestions.
I'm going to HPF the BGV and see if I can do the EQ thing. I have a HPF that cuts off below 2K?...is that appropriate?
Question on the BGV...some are not singing the same words!?!
They were the 6 Extra tracks that I'm not clear where they go?!?
I can leave those out unless there was someplace they were supposed to go?
I noticed audiokid's mix used them?...and they weren't very understandable.
Thanks for all the suggestions...still learning..still having fun...it just might take me awhile to get something posted.
I hope Remy and others will chime in and mix these up...
John, have you thought about doing another mix again yourself?
Others obviously have their methods to mixing. This is how I did
Others obviously have their methods to mixing. This is how I did it and recommend it. I always group things. I'd say you are on to a good start now.
I chose to write my own drum track and vsti. Johns was well done, but lacked the space I get OTB. Remember when I was struggling to sync everything up/ Well, it was because I decided to add my own drums in. I followed his appropriate simple beat.
I used the extra's because they added a musical dimension.
The extra are part of it! There are lyrics there...and they ove
The extra are part of it! There are lyrics there...and they overlap other lyrics. See page 1 of the thread for the lyrics.
Please do not omit the extras.
THis was part of the challenge for me mixing it. 6 vocals overlapping 6 other vocals with different lyrics - and getting them all to be heard.
Have fun! :eek:
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