Grammy winning producer/engineer Ross Hogarth records Rock Star Supernova winner Lukas Rossi's "Dreamer" with drummer Kenny Aronoff, using Royer ribbon microphones
You won't get any disagreement from me. I rarely - if ever - use a condenser mic on a guitar amp.
I've always loved ribbons on guitar amps in combo with a dynamic - As long as you have a good sounding amp to start with. It's almost like an "instant tone" thing.
I have a buddy who swears by both a 121 or a pair of Fatheads for miking amps, and he's done some major release work.
(Although - I'm not all that nuts about the song they were recording in the video, and I think that there are probably better examples of a 121/dynamic/amp combination out there. .) ;)
Appropriate to some other conversations we've had happening lately here on RO - regarding tonal differences between quality pieces - but not necessarily one being any better than another - I think that this falls in this category as well.
Both of those mic arrays sounded really good to me, and I can't say that I "prefer" one over the other - again, one isn't any better - just different.
Either one of those blends would be nice to work with in a song that was calling out for that guitar style and tone.
The choice at that point kinda all comes down to the song, and what the rest of the tracks are doing... or, maybe use both arrays ... they are different enough (I think) that you probably could get some cool sonics, maybe working with panning each opposite to the other, with a bit of delay from one panned to the other side, and vice versa.
That's a good sounding hard rock amp, too. I've never worked with a Diezel before. A lot of what I do style-wise is with cleaner guitar tones, but if I were producing a hard rock project, I wouldn't mind using that amp at all.
edit: I just went to Diezel's web site.... nice stuff. I'd like to try one of their amps. I think they actually can clean up enough for what I'm partial to (and can obviously get nicely crunchy and hot too, for those times I'd want that sound):
(side note... who wants to be the first to beat the snot out of the lead singer who feels it's necessary tohold onto the SM7 while he's singing? Yeah, I know, it's just for the video...still pisses me off though. LOL)
These Diezel amps are killer. I once did a rock session where the band decided to throw their guitarplayer out on the first day. They called a friend who showed up with one guitar, a 4x12" and this 4-channel Diezel. I was a bit shocked since there were a lot of different sounds required. But the guy did it. We didn´t even miss the option of swapping cabs. This amp is so versatile, I cannot praise it enough.
I will use a condenser on occasion with a guitar amp but only as a doubled track. Its usually a Royer R101 and an old 57 through either the Manley or if I want it a bit more 'modern' sounding the True Systems P2. Here's some of what goes on around here. The first image is the stock 1975 Deluxe reverb with the standard set-up. ( Yes, I know it has a blackface plate....I put it on) Next we see a Conrad Blues Jammer model with an Audix SCX-25 condenser and the Cathedral Pipes Seville Ribbon . Its a great combo. Then the Conrad Vintage Deluxe with standard micing and a very nice sounding Fender Prosonic with each of its 10's being miced with a 57 and the Royer. Then a Blues Jr with an Audix D1 and a 57.
This example of a R-121 is killer. Little amps sound great and NOTE, this is in a Control Room just playing around.I bet that would mix into a track so awesome.
Recording Electric Guitar Session 8 - Supro with 6-inch speaker. Ross Hogarth & Tim Pierce
I once miked up a little Marshall tube amp, not much bigger than one of those little dressing room amps you see from time to time - using a Cascade Fathead and an SM58, and it sounded huge. LOL
I love the combo of a ribbon and a dynamic on a tube amp.
DonnyThompson, post: 427646, member: 46114 wrote: Yup. 10,000 box tops gets you a Captain Midnight Decoder Ring. That gives you an indication of how many you'll need for a 121. ;)
Until I learned about these I didn't know how badly I wanted one... Kindof like growing up in a house where your mom bakes sugar free cookies and you go to your friend's house and you get real chocolate chip cookies - that's when you totally realize how much your mom's baking sucks.
DogsoverLava, post: 427647, member: 48175 wrote: Until I learned about these I didn't know how badly I wanted one... Kindof like growing up in a house where your mom bakes sugar free cookies and you go to your friend's house and you get real chocolate chip cookies - that's when you totally realize how much your mom's baking sucks.
LOL! My mother was the consummate 1950's/1960's "Mom". A Scottish June Cleaver. Mrs. Cunningham from Happy Days - with a Gaelic accent.
She used real sugar and real butter in everything.
"Here now, Laddie... are ye sure you have enough butter on your toast? (pronounced "tooost".) How 'boot some on your porridge ? Or maybe a wee bit on yer bacon, too?"
The fact that half my family died from heart disease is of no consequence. It's a short life no matter how long we live.
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You won't get any disagreement from me. I rarely - if ever - use
You won't get any disagreement from me. I rarely - if ever - use a condenser mic on a guitar amp.
I've always loved ribbons on guitar amps in combo with a dynamic - As long as you have a good sounding amp to start with. It's almost like an "instant tone" thing.
I have a buddy who swears by both a 121 or a pair of Fatheads for miking amps, and he's done some major release work.
(Although - I'm not all that nuts about the song they were recording in the video, and I think that there are probably better examples of a 121/dynamic/amp combination out there. .) ;)
This is done by Royer themself, which is pretty special that the
This is done by Royer themself, which is pretty special that they would promote the use of a combo with a product from another company (Shure)
Good vid, Marco. Thanks for posting. Appropriate to some othe
Good vid, Marco. Thanks for posting.
Appropriate to some other conversations we've had happening lately here on RO - regarding tonal differences between quality pieces - but not necessarily one being any better than another - I think that this falls in this category as well.
Both of those mic arrays sounded really good to me, and I can't say that I "prefer" one over the other - again, one isn't any better - just different.
Either one of those blends would be nice to work with in a song that was calling out for that guitar style and tone.
The choice at that point kinda all comes down to the song, and what the rest of the tracks are doing... or, maybe use both arrays ... they are different enough (I think) that you probably could get some cool sonics, maybe working with panning each opposite to the other, with a bit of delay from one panned to the other side, and vice versa.
That's a good sounding hard rock amp, too. I've never worked with a Diezel before. A lot of what I do style-wise is with cleaner guitar tones, but if I were producing a hard rock project, I wouldn't mind using that amp at all.
edit: I just went to Diezel's web site.... nice stuff. I'd like to try one of their amps. I think they actually can clean up enough for what I'm partial to (and can obviously get nicely crunchy and hot too, for those times I'd want that sound):
(side note... who wants to be the first to beat the snot out of the lead singer who feels it's necessary to hold onto the SM7 while he's singing? Yeah, I know, it's just for the video...still pisses me off though. LOL)
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These Diezel amps are killer. I once did a rock session where th
These Diezel amps are killer. I once did a rock session where the band decided to throw their guitarplayer out on the first day. They called a friend who showed up with one guitar, a 4x12" and this 4-channel Diezel. I was a bit shocked since there were a lot of different sounds required. But the guy did it. We didn´t even miss the option of swapping cabs. This amp is so versatile, I cannot praise it enough.
R121 and a sm57 sounds great. Thanks for posting that Marco. a
R121 and a sm57 sounds great.
Thanks for posting that Marco.
another R121/ sm57 combo testimonial using one of my favorite amps
I will use a condenser on occasion with a guitar amp but only as
I will use a condenser on occasion with a guitar amp but only as a doubled track. Its usually a Royer R101 and an old 57 through either the Manley or if I want it a bit more 'modern' sounding the True Systems P2. Here's some of what goes on around here. The first image is the stock 1975 Deluxe reverb with the standard set-up. ( Yes, I know it has a blackface plate....I put it on) Next we see a Conrad Blues Jammer model with an Audix SCX-25 condenser and the Cathedral Pipes Seville Ribbon . Its a great combo. Then the Conrad Vintage Deluxe with standard micing and a very nice sounding Fender Prosonic with each of its 10's being miced with a 57 and the Royer. Then a Blues Jr with an Audix D1 and a 57.
This example of a R-121 is killer. Little amps sound great and N
This example of a R-121 is killer. Little amps sound great and NOTE, this is in a Control Room just playing around.I bet that would mix into a track so awesome.
Recording Electric Guitar Session 8 - Supro with 6-inch speaker. Ross Hogarth & Tim Pierce
I love it!
I once miked up a little Marshall tube amp, not much bigger than
I once miked up a little Marshall tube amp, not much bigger than one of those little dressing room amps you see from time to time - using a Cascade Fathead and an SM58, and it sounded huge. LOL
I love the combo of a ribbon and a dynamic on a tube amp.
I want one of these 121's soooo bad! I wonder how many cereal bo
I want one of these 121's soooo bad! I wonder how many cereal box tops I'd have to send them to get one! -- companies still accept those yes?
Yup. 10,000 box tops gets you a Captain Midnight Decoder Ring.
Yup. 10,000 box tops gets you a Captain Midnight Decoder Ring. That gives you an indication of how many you'll need for a 121. ;)
DonnyThompson, post: 427646, member: 46114 wrote: Yup. 10,000 b
Until I learned about these I didn't know how badly I wanted one... Kindof like growing up in a house where your mom bakes sugar free cookies and you go to your friend's house and you get real chocolate chip cookies - that's when you totally realize how much your mom's baking sucks.
DogsoverLava, post: 427647, member: 48175 wrote: Until I learned
LOL! My mother was the consummate 1950's/1960's "Mom". A Scottish June Cleaver. Mrs. Cunningham from Happy Days - with a Gaelic accent.
She used real sugar and real butter in everything.
"Here now, Laddie... are ye sure you have enough butter on your toast? (pronounced "tooost".) How 'boot some on your porridge ? Or maybe a wee bit on yer bacon, too?"
The fact that half my family died from heart disease is of no consequence. It's a short life no matter how long we live.
Get the Royer. ;)