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Sean G 22 September 2016

Thats it...I'm selling all my gear...the partys' over, the machines are taking over.

http://www.factmag.com/2016/09/22/hear-first-complete-pop-song-composed-artificial-intelligence/

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audiokid Thu, 09/22/2016 - 20:38

I was just going to post this as well, you beat me to it.

Isn't this disturbing. I understand that this has been happening for over a year, but its now official. So, I suspect just as I am guilty of using drum machines and sequencing, it won't be long before this is also a consideration if not a complete new trend in pop. I can see it now.
Its not about musicians anymore. We don't even need the singers.

The world is going to hell. Computers are going to do everything imaginable. Millions of people without work.

Sean G Thu, 09/22/2016 - 20:45

At first it sounded a little weird to me...the changes felt a little clunky or something to me in a structural sense...but after a few listens maybe my brain has smoothed out or smeared it somewhat.

It is disturbing...when the technology is so good that Hollywood soon won't need to pay actors tens of millions per appearance in a movie or contract musical artists to the tune of millions as they will just be able to create them artificially, there will be quite a few more out of work.

Imagine that...the next Brad Pitt will actually be a CG created actor...or the next Beyonce will be a CG character with an AI created music and voice...its getting scary.

Welcome to the machine.

Sean G Thu, 09/22/2016 - 20:50

audiokid, post: 441478, member: 1 wrote: I suspect just as I am guilty of using drum machines and sequencing, it won't be long before this is also a consideration if not a complete new trend in pop. I can see it now.

I bet someone is out there in a race to develop it into a plug-in as we speak...lol

I imagine it would look something like this...

audiokid Thu, 09/22/2016 - 20:57

Its all about algorithms.

I listened to this guy last night and he says it won't be long before computers are doing everything better than humans. That we won't even trust what humans say. That computers will have all the knowledge fed to them through databases. They will made decisions on everything.
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/077103850X/?tag=r06fa-20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Noah_Harari

Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiens:_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind

bouldersound Fri, 09/23/2016 - 20:26

A million years ago (give or take) I had an Atari 400. It came with a Basic Computing Language cartridge and a book (yes, a book) of programs that you had to key in on that horrible keyboard. One of the programs was a random blues melody program. It had a database of one-measure pentatonic patterns which it would string together randomly for as long as you ran the program. This song is really not much more clever than that.

Jeremy Dean Fri, 09/23/2016 - 22:53

It just sounds like a Beatles copy. And not a very good one. If this song was completely written by humans I probably wouldn't care to listen to it again. It's not well written. It's nothing original seeing as it was based off of a data base of Beatles songs anyway. It had to copy from somewhere. And human beings still had to write lyrics for, perform, record, mix, and master the song. Music written by real humans will always have more potential to be better than this!

audiokid Sat, 09/24/2016 - 20:04

Jeremy Dean, post: 441502, member: 49624 wrote: Music written by real humans will always have more potential to be better than this!

I hope when we look back 10 years from now, real musicians will still earn a living. I certainly believe live performances will always win a crowd.

However, from the creative side of things... some things to take notice might include new sounds and better sound quality.

I love my era where real guitars, Moog, B3's, bass and drums were the instruments of choice but I am not so blind to why my kids hear my generation of music as old and bad sounding. No matter what I play to them from my era, they can appreciate it but it is old and dated now.

Today my kids listen to words, and larger than life mixes. Its all about the virtual world now. I hardly doubt this Beatles example is the best to whats coming.

So I can only hope my natural talent and experience as a "real" "performing" musician will always give me the advantage over the new crop who unfortunately missed some of the best years.

All week I have been thinking... Wow and OMG , WTF is happening to music.
This is going to get weird and hard to take... but I will not let it get the best of me.

Maybe this will trigger the desire to hear more real music.

kmetal Sun, 09/25/2016 - 17:59

audiokid, post: 441529, member: 1 wrote: WTF is happening to music

Mid-late 90's. Grunge and ganster rap killed the need for strong musical ability/sensibility, as needed previously. They at least contained emotion. Then grunge died literally or got medicated, and hip hop got rich.

Early 2000's-
Metal briefly brough guitar chops back, but the energy was ruined w samples and qunatization.

Then music ended.

kmetal Sun, 09/25/2016 - 20:11

Sean G, post: 441560, member: 49362 wrote: If you go by Don McLean s' account...it started on February 3, 1959 ;)

40's-50's had some amazing jazz stuff. I used to listen to Charlie Parker live at Storyville in college writing papers. Love those old delta blues field recordings, which may have been later...

There's a book called 'the psychology of music' which I didn't read but my uncle was telling me about. Basically it says most people identify with, and stop listening to music after there teenage years.

I've always tried to be aware of what's 'good' in as far as staying current, even if I don't like it, to be aware of the sounds.

I have to confess that since 2005 there's been maybe a handful of albums I've loved, Adele 21, and graveyards lights out, black keys brothers, and mastodons once more round the sun, tool 10,000 days, that I really 'felt' but man, I'm lucky if I discover a few new songs a year lately. Definitely very very few albums.

I've always felt I'm an old soul, but I think I'm becoming an old man as well....

Perhaps we are victims of timing and the things we identify with are primarily due to time/era. Those Jimi Hendrix albums are borderline sloppy. No way a lot of that would be left in 10- even 25 year ago.

A good song is a good song, but maybe we identify too much with the human aspect of things becuase of where we come from in 'time'?

I've seen just as many people move to a dj as a full band.

Vibration is essentially the fundemantal thing of everything in this realm/universe perhaps humans don't need to have anything to do with the vibrations we call 'music'

Lol that said there's something for a solo violin or flamenco guitar, or someone simply playing and singing unplugged.

Fwiw I didn't like the AI Song so much, but I have no doubt I've written and recorded worse. Artistically and technically.

There's nothing artificial about AI, it's just a method of learning, IQ, or logic if you will. We ourselves run on a genetic code, and I belive our purpose in general is as an intermediary between basic nature and the next level of existence in the expanse of time. Until the universe unifies itself, or reaches its own self actualiztion quota. Being human is hard.

The question is does AI work for beer and gas money ?

kmetal Mon, 09/26/2016 - 19:29

Sean G, post: 441604, member: 49362 wrote: Human beings are too smart for their own boots.

We have been slowly developing technology to make our lives easier...to the point where one day we will have made ourselves redundant.

I think that is part of the fundemtnals functions of human beings in general. To propel the next level of concoiusness/existence. I often think humans have an inflated sense of worth sometimes. One gene and a possible thumb after all, is what separates us from our chimp ancestors.

This isn't to degrade humans, but rather to say we are a transitory being.

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