Can you post some pictures? I'd like to see exactly how your setting it up.

If i can find a camera i will basicall you take a 12 inch speaker one mic in the middle (straight on) and one on the right (57) pointed sideways against the grill (back of mic is pointing away from amp to the left ) sounds good, I just blend the two , with a bit of comp , its sexy , I will see if I can get a pic happening

Try putting the mics in an XY position.

is it possible to duplicat this effect by cloning a guitar track, using mic and room modelling? tia.

regards,
cheatingatmath

This post hasn't been touched in a while, but I've been poking through the archives and I'm bored, so here goes...

This is almost the exact same setup I use for recording guitar. I mic two separate speakers on my 4x10 Fender combo, but the principle is the same. I like to take a small diaphragm condensor with a high-pass filter enabled (to avoid low-end rumble from the condensor), point it straight at the middle of the cone, and then angle it downward so it is pointed at the flat part of the cone. Then I take a Sennheiser e609 (supposedly modeled after the Senny mentioned above, but Im sure they sound at least a little different), and hang it right in front of one of the other cones, straight-on, off-center. This produces a very rich, true-to-life tone, and gives a very good bass response... before using the e609 i was getting very distant sounding guitar parts down, with very little bass to them.

this is my favorite guitar micing technique for clean guitar as well as some gritty tone.

this last weekend i recorded guitar with 2 amps, a Vox AC30 non-TB and a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier with a marshall cab with vintage 30s

on the mesa I used a 57 and a 414 ULS
on the ac30 I used a 57 angled and a 421

i used them side by side with a baffle in between

i then used a room mic about 12-15 feet back (Neumann U89)

If you want to hear the sound I got with NO EQ, check this out:

http://www.slantview.com/files/TCOTB.mp3

It is just a really rough mix and have some verb on the vocals but every guitar and bass track is totally dry.

--steve

Thanks Steve. It's always nice when someone put piece of work here. Very informative. 8-)

How's Neumann panned in this example?

The Neumann was in figure of 8 pointing directly in the middle of the 2 amps. It also had the high-pass set at 80hz. It is panned center. For each amp one mic is panned hard right and left.

The Vox was seriously recorded at full volume to get it to break up nicely. (f'n LOUD!!)

The Mesa was on like 4 or 5.

The console was an API 2488 with the eq's engaged. They were the old 3 band fixed eqs and there was a little high end and a little mid boosted (~1-2db).

The tracks were recorded one pass with all mics on, then a double was done with 1 mic from each amp.

steve

Thanks, man.

rudedogg wrote: then a double was done with 1 mic from each amp.

I suppose that was for thiner / brighter sound and better contrast to first pass, right? 57 only?

yeah. it is mostly because doubling the right side when you have one big guitar seems to me to open up the middle and make the guitars seem bigger. you then leave a lot more room in the middle for the bass and drums.

steve

Double thanks for sharing this with us.

Very nice guitar sound Rudedogg!

how did you use a 414?
How did u pan it in the mix?

Sounds pretty nice....