Tape Emulation vs. . Tape

I generally find the followin to be true: If a product has the word 'emulation' in its name, it's more than likely not as good as the product its emulating.

Conversely, I have also found that if a restaurant has the word Bistro in it, it's more than likely serving very good food. I'm sure there are exceptions I'm unaware of, but that's been my experience thus far in life.

Mixerman

I like the sound of that new bistro emulation plug in. I think it's called Garlic Factory.

u gotta link to that paul?

OK, I am well up on this topic.(and hopped over to PT after 19 years of 2" tape and world class mixing desks)

The choices open to you so you dont have to throw your PT rig in the trash:

1) Fatso - Impirical labs (an analog device) getting one soon!
2) Hedd - Cranesong (better than Apogee SE units IMHO) Have one!
3) Analog channell plug in - McDSP (very good sounding) Want it!
4) Dad Tape plug in - DUY (also good) Use it sometimes!
5) You MUST use an external wordclock unit such as an ArdsyncII or Nanosync. Have the Nanosync!

Converters: (huge expence!)
6) Mytec
7) Prism

Options for you to record digitaly if you wish to throw out your PT rig.

8) Radar - great rep for its analog sounding converters.
9) Paris - not many hip plug ins run on it but it is suppsed to sound 'better that PT'.

IMHO you would have all bases pretty covered by getting the first 5 items.

:)

Jules

Look at the Crane Song Spyder. 8 channels of great pre's, great converters, a little mixer, and tape emulation similar to their HEDD- it's really the only one I've ever seen die hard analog people speak kindly of. At 6 grand, it's a good deal.

I use a Studer 827 2" 24 trk along with 2 Studer J37's (all tube 1" 4 trk).
NOTHING (not even otyher machines) will EVER come close to replacing those machines period.
you guys can emulate all you want. ;)

The VST PLugin Magneto might be worth a look. I'm pretty convinced that digital will never sound analog that same way a violin will never sound like a drumkit. I have been known to be wrong though ;)

Mike, an Ampex ATR 124 or a Stephens 24 trk will seriously smoke an 827. Hell a clean late model JH 24 has more detail.

John, the True-tape in Cubase is a simplified version (which can only be used when recording, not to apply as an effect later on) of the Magneto plug-in, which should be available for PT. You can tweak more on the Magneto. Whether this will do anything for you, is another question!

Originally posted by Rog:
I'm pretty convinced that digital will never sound analog that same way a violin will never sound like a drumkit. I have been known to be wrong though ;)

Brilliant!

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Originally posted by McSnare:
Mike, an Ampex ATR 124 or a Stephens 24 trk will seriously smoke an 827. Hell a clean late model JH 24 has more detail.

A fucking A-800 mkIII will eat an 827 for breakfast and shit it out before lunch, it's the FET's in the "computer alignment" that fuck up the tone. A pot is way less destructive to the audio than a FET, it's one of the reasons alot of folks don't like the sound of SSL desks, all of the FET's in the audio path.

As for 'analog emulations' in the digital domain, I've only had the chance to use a 'Spider' once on a session. My reaction after returning from that session was "holy shit, analog may have just taken a serious headwound".

There are still problems with mixing in the digital domain, and those problems will be with us and very real for many, many moons to come [check out this article by John Klett on 'Large Format Digital Consoles' http://www.technicalaudio.com/reading/digitalconsoledelay.html] ...but digital is getting a hell of a lot better than it was just two short years ago. Things like the 'Spider' are helping it along, eventually [like when DAW's have been around half as long as analog recording...the first DAW I ever saw came out in the mid 80's]it'll get to the point of greatness. It's taken some serious stides in terms of improving sonically in just the last year or so, I sincerely doubt that it's going to go backward.

It's a pity that the 44.1/16 Compact Disc is still a standard, but without it where would the R&D money for things like DVD-A have come? I'll bet even money that around the time that DVD-"L" (in other words, a dozen revisions down the line) is released, we're all [even us crumudeon motherfuckers] going to be pleased with the quality of the audio returned by these systems.

A good, solid, microphone collection and "front end" system will never become obsolete, but the platforms and operating systems of today will be the landfill of 5 years from now.

A-827...nice deck if you like compromises...the 'autoalignment data DAT' thing is a great "convenience" at the sacrifice of audio quality...but frankly, I've never been all that opposed to getting on my knees with a screw driver and aligning a deck...then again, I prefer good audio to convenience any [and every] day.

"the platforms and operating systems of today will be the landfill of 5 years from now."

Arent studio economics used to upgrade & replacement? All through the the last 4 decades engineers have looked forward to the 'hot new desk' or the 'client catching' new piece of equipment.

Is that 'all over' now? Is it just vintage Neve and Studer - 'forever" ?

I wonder what other tech industries feel a zenith was reached in the 50's & 60's. it would be interesting to know a few others appart from ours.

Old Lieca cameras for example are collectable but I wonder how many vintage models are in pro use today.

Old sports cars are fun to drive and the man-machine performance is a thrill for many, but a cheapo modern car will beat many off the block.

Jules

Yo Han, but I've got a 2yr old Porsche that only needs good gas and an oil change every few months. (It's fun to go against ANY vehicle in...win OR lose) ;)

And at the moment I'm on a '72 Ironhead with straight pipes and no chain guard [which scares the shit out of me...it'll have a chain guard on it by the end of the week] that gets me to the office every morning after my now regular morning 'kick aerobic exercises' [it's a kick start only bike...can't wait 'til it get's cooler out...kicking near solid 70 weight oil is a pisser .

Hey Fletcher, better keep some gaffers tape for the jeans just in case.
...you runnin the primary chain open too?

Oh I love cars.....and bikes......and....
......what was the topic again?

I don't have a Studer or an Otari but I have a Tandberg Model 12 I dearly love and use and I track in both worlds - tape and DAW. I love how they sound together.

In my opinion, you can emulate WOW and Flutter but you can't emulate electronics, wiring, transformers or tubes.

FYI - This thread is over 4 years old! Even Fletcher is in this thread :) . Just think about how much everything has changed since August of 2001! Wow :eek: