Best mic for under $500

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I have an SM7B (amongst many others), and it's OK, but I have found it a bit limited. I like the Heil PR30 for vocals, and the E-V RE20 is good for that (and much more). Unless you have a really good, well-treated room, you will want a mic that has a very tight pattern to minimize the "room sound". The RE-20 and the PR30 are both VERY good at this.

There are so many choices... I think that a dynamic mic won't suit your purposes, so maybe a condenser one will do the work.
So AKG has very good options for you anon ebay you may grab some under your budget:

AKG: C 414B-XLS
AKG: C 451 B

The mics you listed are certainly good mics, HOWEVER, the poster hasn't stipulated the room he's using...
There is also the price range...both of those mics are double his price range here in North America.

Sorryto disagree, but he hasn't have to say or stipulate any room for both listed mics... I have worked with both several times in several rooms and in several situations and the results were more than good and I can say that they were evenmore than I expected! They are stupendous Microphones! I own the C 451 B, bought on ebay (Europe) as new and cost me 200 euros (270 USD)... so it's just a question to be active and searching...

I disagree...The room DOES matter in this situation, and a condenser in a basement with the dimensions posted -especially the low 8-ft ceiling- can be a problem due to standing waves.
I have owned and used more than a few AKG C451/452's in my many years...they are great in the right room for the right source (and acousic guitars are one of those). Over in Europe, AKG mics can be found for a LOT less than what they are going for on e-Bay here in N America...
And the 414, I'm not a big fan, but in any case, the price of that mic over here is even more. LD dynamics can work much better than an LDC in a less-ideal room due to their less sensitivity and tighter pattern...

Well, standing waves with or without a condenser mirophones you will have it... dynamic microphones has less sensitivity, but they will catch it as well. Since the C451B has a tigher pattern and has frequency roll off pad and dB attenuation pad you have more control over it (standing waves), since stronger and bigger standing waves come from lower frequencies. I'm talking about this specific one 'cause I know how it works, how it sounds on different situations and on different acoustic environments... it will do what you want and even more!

Unless you are using a Large Diaphram mic with some sort of gobo or a reflextion filter, the room is going to make a lot of difference in sound quality. Especially the sensitivity with the AKG's. Sure they will sound good in ANY situation, but they really need a good room and a great mic pre to really shine.

I'm with Moon on this one. At that price range you can get a really high-end dynamic and save the rest of your money for more room treatment.

And AKG's 414's are well over $500 here in the States, used, in high quality shape. Every now and then you can find a bargain, but certain brands built in Europe have a decidedly lower price there than here. Just like gear made here is probably more there.

So, since you know your country better than me (of course) I'm with you then too... But you guys must give a break in it and name a couple of mics to the man!

See the problem here is that for under $500 no one agrees on a good Large Diaphragm Condenser (LDC). The lowest price where you get a bunch of consensus picks is about $700 or so (new). Under that and you get mics that a few people like, a few are OK with, and a lot of people get tired of quickly. And an LDC is what most people would pick for a workhorse that would do all the tasks you want. On the other hand, all (?) of the dynamics are under $500, but would not be my choice for acoustic guitar. Still, they will minimizes the interaction with the room, so they might be the best bet. I'd add the Sennheiser 421 to those mentioned above. There are also a bunch of good SDCs under $500 (I have the Rode NT5, NT55, Sure SM81 and there are others). These are probably not what you want on vocals, but would be great on your other sources.

Bob brings up a good point (which happens a lot here!). The Shure SM81 is a great mic for acoustic instruments and percussion and works well in a less-than ideal environment. I haven't tried mine on vocals, but Dogg has posted that this mic can work surprisingly well on vocals...maybe there's the answer.

Have you tried the 57 on vocals? Put a foam pop filter on it and it's essentially a 58.

If you can find a used AT 4060 or 4047 in your price range then that is what I would advise. New however these exceed your outer limit by several hundred dollars. The Dawg is spot on with why you haven't received a recommendation yet. And used is always a crapshoot from someone like eBay.

I should have been clearer. I would NEVER buy a mic from e-Bay. I have found great deals regionally on Craigslist (Canada has something similar) where I can get my hands on the actual item and test before I fork over the cash.

I'm going to be testing a new ribbon mic I just bought in the next few days. Avantone. Nicely built and supposedly great sounding and well within your budget. Standby for more.

Davedog, post: 365166 wrote: I'm going to be testing a new ribbon mic I just bought in the next few days. Avantone. Nicely built and supposedly great sounding and well within your budget. Standby for more.

I was going to mention the Cascade Fat Head, but I thought I'd push for something that was more of a long term investment. I'll be interested in your review of the Avantone. I'm happier with my Fat Head II pair than I would have thought with mics at that price. I would not recommend them for vocals, but it would be interesting to see them compared to cheap condensers. I wouldn't think that a cheap ribbon would be easier to make than a cheap condenser. Is that wrong?

Would those:

AKG: C 414B-XLS
AKG: C 451 B

work well in non-studio small room, with grand piano and vibes, recording classical chamber music?
Thanks for answers.

I actually own only the C451B and I use it on our studio for almost everything I sense is a good choice! Even some vocals seem so transparent and full with it!

I use 414XLS pair all the time recording classical chamber music and orchestra. I would probably skip the 451 and roll back to the 460 with both card and omni caps. The 460 is smoother. Alternatively, get a pair of Mojave MA100 for your SDC. They are better than either the 451 or 460. Currently I'm playing with Royer ribbons. I like the overall sound better than the 414 but the positioning is more critical. Get your workhorses before going with exotic.

BobRogers, post: 365050 wrote: See the problem here is that for under $500 no one agrees on a good Large Diaphragm Condenser (LDC). The lowest price where you get a bunch of consensus picks is about $700 or so (new). Under that and you get mics that a few people like, a few are OK with, and a lot of people get tired of quickly. And an LDC is what most people would pick for a workhorse that would do all the tasks you want. On the other hand, all (?) of the dynamics are under $500, but would not be my choice for acoustic guitar. Still, they will minimizes the interaction with the room, so they might be the best bet. I'd add the Sennheiser 421 to those mentioned above. There are also a bunch of good SDCs under $500 (I have the Rode NT5, NT55, Sure SM81 and there are others). These are probably not what you want on vocals, but would be great on your other sources.

BobRogers, you mention that there are consensus picks when you reach about $700. Could you (or others reading this) please list some of these. Thanks

AT4050, AT4047, AT4060, AKG C414 (used), Neumann TLM102,

Just to add to the pot, you might be interested in watching Ronan's latest video about his love affair with the Shure KSM32. It's a $500 LDC.

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How timely! I just bought a used KSM32 this past weekend for only $275 from a guy who was paring down his home studio.
Great video, I will have to see more.

I'd second all of the mics mentioned above. Probably should add the Shure KSM42 which is just above $700. I might add the Kode K2, though it's probably too distinctively "tubey" to be called a consensus pick - a good number of admirers though.

Prices have shifted since I've looked at these. Has the street price for the 414 been $1K for that long? And I thought the KSM32 was over $600. Not paying attention, I guess.

I watched Ronan's video on the KSM32. He raved about using it as an overhead with instruments, especially drums, but said that for vocals it depends on the vocalist.

How's the KSM32 moonbaby?

Well, I plan on putting it through its' paces this weekend. Initial testing when I was scrutinizing it at the time of purchase was that it does have a very clean, detailed midrange on my baritone-ish VO voice. I am looking forward to trying it over a drum kit. I also want to try it on my Rodriguez classical that in the past has been mic'd with an 81.

I'm looking forward to your critique!

OK, so here we go...
I work with this big band that does these ballroom gigs at the regional Ritz-Carlton. The band's leader is a great Buddy Rich-style drummer who doesn't like a bunch of close mics, he plays like he wants to sound, so my job is to simply capture that. Depending on the gig, it will be a kick (ATM25 or Heil PR40), a snare (57 or i5),and an OH (SM81 or EV RE200-a real "sleeper" IMHO). So last night I took the KSM32, plus the PR40 for the kick, and I had the i5 onhand in case I needed more snare. A quick test of the PR40 yielded a deep and punchy sound, that's just right. Then I threw the fader up on the 32...OMG!!! I couldn't believe my ears: the cymbals were so CLEAN and defined, the toms were full and in good balance, and the snare cracked through it all absolutely beautifully. Two mics on the Pearls and I was a grinning idiot...LOL!
Anyway, I am very happy with the KSM32, it's a real deal at the new price of $549, and a steal at the $275 I paid for it used. I plan on doing a little more comparing it against two more mics I bought yetserday - a Neumann U87Ai and an AKG C414XLS- that was an even better deal...blog to follow. I CAN say this: that the build quality of the 32 appears to be very substantial and as solid as the U87, and its' shock mount is much better designed than its' German counterpart.
Next, testing the mics with my classical guitar....

Glad to hear it has worked out real well on the drums. Are you going to try it on some vocals?

You seem to corroborate what Ronan said about using it on overheads. Cool!

Maybe he inspired me! I was just impressed by how big and natural the drums sounded (at the same time). Les is an endorser of Pearl drums, a real pro, so he knows how to tune and play them to get his sound. That's 75% of the battle right there...

Shure SM7B

I would highly recommend the Shure SM7B. It is a great dynamic mic that is known to rival much more expensive condenser mics. It offers tonal flexibility via the bass rolloff and treble boost switches and has awesome presence and clarity at the same time. I recently wrote an article on it @ Gear-Wiki, more here: [[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.gear-wik…"]Shure SM7B : Gear-Wiki.com » Microphones » Dynamic[/]="http://www.gear-wik…"]Shure SM7B : Gear-Wiki.com » Microphones » Dynamic[/]