Hi everyone, Ive got a client who wants his guitar reorder through a Line 6 POD, with no amp... Ive never recorded an electric guitar with no amp as its done sometimes with a bass guitar. What do you think of this? I told this guy its always better Micing (or miking, however its spelled) the amp with one or more mics, you can get some ambience, but he insists.
Is it a good option to record an Electric Guitar this way?
Thanks
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I usually run my guitar to a DI box and thru to a miked halfstac
I usually run my guitar to a DI box and thru to a miked halfstack. I take the balanced out to my preamp for reamping later if I decide that the sound of the guitar could be better but the performance was good. This way I don't have to perform a perfect take all over again and now I can concentrate on reamping and finding that sweet spot or a better sound I hadn't got the first time. :)
Depends on the music though.. I recorded this techno-metal band,
Depends on the music though..
I recorded this techno-metal band, and they thought my guitar sound was too 'rough'and 'real' sounding, they wanted a more artificial sound, so I advised them to put some layers of pod underneath..
If you layer a couple of pods, the sound'll become reallllly plastic..
Wouldn't be my choice, but, hey...
"Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not? I am, or was con
"Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not?
I am, or was convinced that the "pod" might be a worthy investment
for anyone such as me, and folks here too,
(thinking about)wanting an effect/amp-sim input-box...of somekind..and let me admit I was originally prompted by knowing that which my "buzz" tells me.....
I must have a "ground repair product" at the very least.
I am about to reveal my sillyassumptive capability...
would it be too much to hope that a "pod" might also serve for the ground correcttion-type product while doing its stated purpose?
or, If I needed a ground loop correction device such as a directbox, etc and instead got myself a pod, would I still then need the first item?
Surely pod has the ground under control)=bad assumption??
I mean I really expect that if I get an answer from an experienced person as hoped I will be told that any assumption is a bad one.. but I still have my silly hopes way up... this is 2005 after all...?anyone with me?
whats the scoop for:
direct box "need"/vs. "pod" purchase/whether ground is still "off" with the new "pod"
if I learn that I'd still prolly need a directbox even after the purchase and incorporation of a new "pod".. I can just get by only with the directbox! I can use other goodies but this 60 cycle buzz is by far my main concern today..... any degree of heed is appreciated
"Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not?
thank you
Re: "Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not? Jbon wrote:
Re: "Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not?
Jbon wrote: I am, or was convinced that the "pod" might be a worthy investment
for anyone such as me, and folks here too,
(thinking about)wanting an effect/amp-sim input-box...of somekind..and let me admit I was originally prompted by knowing that which my "buzz" tells me.....
I must have a "ground repair product" at the very least.
I am about to reveal my sillyassumptive capability...
would it be too much to hope that a "pod" might also serve for the ground correcttion-type product while doing its stated purpose?
or, If I needed a ground loop correction device such as a directbox, etc and instead got myself a pod, would I still then need the first item?Surely pod has the ground under control)=bad assumption??
I mean I really expect that if I get an answer from an experienced person as hoped I will be told that any assumption is a bad one.. but I still have my silly hopes way up... this is 2005 after all...?anyone with me?
whats the scoop for:
direct box "need"/vs. "pod" purchase/whether ground is still "off" with the new "pod"
if I learn that I'd still prolly need a directbox even after the purchase and incorporation of a new "pod".. I can just get by only with the directbox! I can use other goodies but this 60 cycle buzz is by far my main concern today..... any degree of heed is appreciated"Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not?
thank you
Does POD negate need for DI box? No.
I can't understand whetever else you are trying ask about. Could you rephrase or something?
If your client like the POD ... use it. It's their dime. On the
If your client like the POD ... use it. It's their dime. On the other hand, I hate PODs and all other "Slime Sux" products.
A small collection of thoughts regarding Line 6 products;
I bought a Line 6 amp new... hardly ever used it ... it failed. I had it fixed and sold it to a friend ... it failed again ... same thing again the tech told us.
I had a friend, who bought a Line 6 .... it crashed all the time, loseing his programs. What a POS. In fact, perhaps they made a mistake when they call those things the "POD" ... maybe they meant POS.
The best sound I ever heard from any Line 6 product was the sound of it hitting the dumpster.
I've had my POD for years, and it hasn't failed once on the hund
I've had my POD for years, and it hasn't failed once on the hundred's of gigs/sessions. I know lots of people that have good experiences with Line6 products.
As far as the sound, its a bit different then a good cab.
sometimes I track with my Line6, sometimes I track with a Miced Cab.
It all depends on the song and what sound i am looking for.
IMO, the POD puts out some good sounds. but can sound plastic if you don't use it correctly.
Line6 is deffenately processed, but i its hands down the best Amp Sim i've heard,.
-Blaumph
It's definitely the best amp sim I've ever heard too. But that'
It's definitely the best amp sim I've ever heard too. But that's just my opinion and everybody's got one of those.
Where I find it most beneficial is to be used as an effects processor out to an amp. The delays and modulation effects are very cool and when you output the audio to a nice tube amp a POD can really work some mojo.
I use a Line 6 Guitar Port sometimes for it's delays, wah effects, reverbs, and amp head simulation out to small wattage tube amps for a combination of the "grand ole" and "the new".
I also like it when I'm adding slide work for ambient guitar work and just use the auio outputs right to my soundcard for the lush and quiet ambient sounds it can produce.
I've never had a days trouble with it in 2 years.
It depends on what kind of music you're making as to whether or not it's useful. I've seen plenty of professional groups use Line 6 heads and cabs onstage and get amazingly kick-a$$ tone. Queensryche had a group opening for them on a recent tour that used Line 6 amps and cabs and although everyone was anxious to have the Ryche come onstage, nobody really wanted these guys to stop playing, LOL. Great guitar sounds.
Like everything else, if it works for you, nobody can tell you "it doesn't work" for you. 8-)
Kurt Foster wrote: If your client like the POD ... use it. It's
Kurt Foster wrote: If your client like the POD ... use it. It's their dime. On the other hand, I hate PODs and all other "Slime Sux" products.
A small collection of thoughts regarding Line 6 products;
I bought a Line 6 amp new... hardly ever used it ... it failed. I had it fixed and sold it to a friend ... it failed again ... same thing again the tech told us.
I had a friend, who bought a Line 6 .... it crashed all the time, loseing his programs. What a POS. In fact, perhaps they made a mistake when they call those things the "POD" ... maybe they meant POS.
The best sound I ever heard from any Line 6 product was the sound of it hitting the dumpster.
The power supply on my POD has gone out 3 times!
The Pod has it uses though, it's great for scratch tracks.
Here is just my reviews on a lot of these amp sim's like the POD
Here is just my reviews on a lot of these amp sim's like the POD. I have used:
Line 6 Pod
Line 6 Pod 2.0
Line 6 Bass Pod
Line 6 Pod Pro
Line 6 Pod XT
Line 6 Amp Farm
Behringer V-amp
Boss GT-6
Boss Gt-6B
Digitech RP300
Johnson J-Station
Out of all these devices the ONLY one that could give me the sound of my miked up Peavey JSX tube amp and 4x12 cab was the Johnson J-Station. Which is really funny cause I picked it up for like 80 bucks off ebay on a whim. I recommend it to anyone. It does a great job of giving you the "feel" of playing through a real amp. It has dynamic-controlled tone. Just like my tube amp. If you pick harder while playing the tone changes accordingly. I am not saying this is all I would record with. You just cannot beat a miked up amp and cab but it definitely is a good tool. Great for re-amping, great for late-night sessions where noise is an issue. I think out of all these devices I have used over time the J-Station is the only one I could and would consider using for my entire guitar sound on a track if I had to. It's the only one that sounds and feels like the real thing to me. Just my thoughts.
Re: "Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not? TheArchitect
Re: "Pod negates the need for direct box?" or not?
TheArchitect wrote: [
Pod negates the need for direct box? or not?
thank you
Does POD negate need for DI box? No.
I can't understand whetever else you are trying ask about. Could you rephrase or something?
this is plenty... I appreciate that the main idea was understood... 'that nothing else was, is of negligible consequence.
thank you very much
DJFade: You asked what "re-amping" is. It's where you track a mu
DJFade:
You asked what "re-amping" is. It's where you track a musical instrument (say, a guitar) and you play that track back into an amp.
Many folks out there like the control and options this affords. You can, concievably, take a clean, dry guitar track and then blast it through an amp. This usually requires that you use a DI to take that line level out of the console (or soundcard) and attenuate it so that it is more like a guitar pick-up signal. Then you mic that amp. The new Millennia Media TD-1 is the king for that.
I personally feel that a player should generate the tone that he/she wants to achieve WHILE PLAYING! I can't think of 1 guitar player I've recorded who would be willing to play "clean"and then let me nasty it up a bit. There's just too much interaction between the artist and their amp. Having said that, I LOVE to re-amp other stuff like organs, synths, and even the occasional snare or vox track. I even use an old Leslie speaker I drive with a Sunn amp to do that. Anything goes, baby!
I have the pod xt pro, and i use it a lot. I do a live reamp of
I have the pod xt pro, and i use it a lot. I do a live reamp of guitars....sounds killer. I plug the guitar into the the front of the pod in the regular input, then on the dry guitar out (on the back of the pod ) I run a signal back to the amp in the tracking room, and mic the cabinet, running both seprate signals into my daw. It takes a little time but you can really tune the sound (I usually try to find something on the pod that compliments the "real" guitar sound). Track them seprately and you can mix accordingly later. One thing that is a need to know is you WILL run into a ground loop buzz, when you do, flick the ground lift switch on the amp only (not the pod), or if your amp doesent have a ground lift switch, find a way to break the connection of the 3rd prong of the amp plug. So far everytime this technique yields excellent phat guitar results.
I think the simplest and most effective solution was already pos
I think the simplest and most effective solution was already posed here -
Track it both ways - dry and with the POD. Even if he/she only really likes the POD version (pour, mis-guided soul), you still have the dry copy that you can reamp later a thousand different ways.
J.
BTW - One of the coolest set of devices for DI and Re-Amping i
BTW -
One of the coolest set of devices for DI and Re-Amping is by Radial.
They offer a new pack which includes their J48 (Jensen Xfrmr, Active DI) with the X-Amp re-amper. This takes the signal from line level to instrument level and it's adjustable. BTW - the sound - in a word - friggin excellent!
J.
Radial also makes a product called a ProDI. I picked one up for
Radial also makes a product called a ProDI. I picked one up for like 70 bucks when i was looking for a cheap passive DI. I later realized I could use this for reamping too since it was a passive DI.
Also to backtrack a bit, KF commented that he dislikes all "lime sux" products, and I just have to disagree with that.
I've never really been a fan of the Line6 amps or pods, but their pedals are priceless. I don't even think my band or half the bands I like would sound the way they do without the line6 delay modeler pedal (the green one). it is hands down the best delay pedal that exists. ask any good guitarist and i guarentee they will swear by it like they swear by their vox amp or their gibson guitar.
what about sans amp? i have behringer's knockoff (yes yes i kno
what about sans amp?
i have behringer's knockoff (yes yes i know, death to them and all that stuff) and im pretty impressed. might not be that dynamic of a signal, but with death metal type stuff, who cares.
tone wise it isnt terrible, and definitely brings out my p90s more than a POD would.
when i tested a POD, it sounded too, best i can say is solid statish.
I've done a few things through the PODxt. Not my first choice ei
I've done a few things through the PODxt. Not my first choice either, but I use it a lot for writing stuff late at night, and getting tones I can't get through my limited amp collection (1 amp). My recommendation is to turn off the compressor in the unit. Sure, they say it's a model of the LA-2A, but whatever, it sounds like ass when tracked to disk. A small, mono "drum room" type 'verb can add a little more substance to the track as well I've found.