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Pink Floyd drum sound

Hi all,
I'm wondering if you can tell me how to obtain a drumsound simular to dark side of the moon, in particular the snare sound.

I realize that the drums them self and the tuning are important to the sound, I would appresiate any advice in this department too.

Its difficult for me to describe the sounds I hear without using words like "punchy" and warm which seems to be despised by proffesionals like you, but I'm guessing most of you are familiular with this album anyway...
Conserning the snare, how would you mic it?
Maybe a mic underneath with compression and a mild distortion effect blended a little with the overheads? Thats my closest guess anyway.

Do you think room mics were used besides the OH's? Should I closemic the toms? etc etc..

The mics, pre's, compressors, effect units etc.. If you know what they used I'd be glad to know, othervise just tell me what you'd use and how to set the parameters to get the sound.


BTW before you ask what equipment I have, let me just clarify that I'm not going to actually do this floyd-drum thing (well not today atleast). I'm just interested in the subject and trying to educate myself. I hope thats ok with you. Offcourse as soon as I get oppertunity to experiment with your suggestions I'll do that. Thanks for any help you can offer
//Peter

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MPlancke Tue, 06/12/2001 - 14:01
Originally posted by litenmupp:
Hi all,
I'm wondering if you can tell me how to obtain a drumsound simular to dark side of the moon, in particular the snare sound.
//Peter


Here's my guess. Two microphones situated in and around the drummers head or in back or to the side and a kick drum mic. I don't hear any room sound, so I'm guessing that they baffled the drums to cut down on the ambience. The rest is drum selection, tuning and the guy playing.

Pro Audio Guest Wed, 06/20/2001 - 07:47
Alan Parson (who engineered DSOTM) said in his column at artistpro.com that they used an 86 (Neumann?) on the guitars. So there's one exception, but maybe they used the km-84 for a lot of things.

There was a nice interview at that site with you there as well Bob! It's nice beeing able to chat like this with highly experienced people like yourself. I'm surprised not more people take advantage of this forum.
Regards, Peter

Bob Olhsson Thu, 06/21/2001 - 12:44
Maybe it was a single 86 which would make a lot more sense!

An 86 is two 84 capsules mounted back to back with a switch to select just the front one for cardioid or both either in or out of polarity for omni or figure 8 respectively. I always suspected 86s had a bit more low-end than 84s but never had both available to use at the same time.

Pro Audio Guest Fri, 06/22/2001 - 07:03
In Mark Cunningham's "Good Vibrations", Alan Parsons is quoted as saying:

"With Floyd though, it always seemed to come together pretty quickly and anyway, I've never really changed my overall miking setup for drums, apart from a difference of snare mic here and there. I've mostly either used a Neumann 84 or 87, an AKG D20 on the bass drum, Coles 4038 ribbon mics for overhead, and 84s or 86s on the toms. But I've never used compression; it's just a pet hate of mine and I think it kills a lot of natural sound, especially on drums."

I've also read where Parsons never uses mics on bass cabinets, DI only. YMMV, I suppose.

Pro Audio Guest Sat, 06/23/2001 - 11:17
Hey Lobstman thats interesting... I don't soppuse you could post the full track sheet for the song "any color you like"? Would be cool to see.

Another thing I was thinking about was how they make the tracks melt together as there are instruments playing over the track changes. Do they use one long tape for the entire album and let some tracks overlap between tracks etc.?

Cheers guys

atlasproaudio Sat, 06/23/2001 - 17:38
Originally posted by Bob Olhsson:
I also seem to remember reading that the entire album was recorded using a single KM-84.

It sounds exactly like one mic from what I remember...I haven't listened to their old stuff in a few years. Is there at least some kind of stereo thing happening? I never have been too in love with the whole late 60's drum sounds (Hendrix, Cream, Zep I&II, etc...) IMO things starting sounding a whole lot better around '70 and after. I suppose it has to do with 16 tracks coming around. Maybe somebody could shed some light on this?? :confused:

Regards,
Nathan Eldred
Atlas Pro Audio, Inc.
http://www.atlasproaudio.com

Jon Best Thu, 06/28/2001 - 18:40
Originally posted by atlasproaudio:


It sounds exactly like one mic from what I remember...I haven't listened to their old stuff in a few years. Is there at least some kind of stereo thing happening? I never have been too in love with the whole late 60's drum sounds (Hendrix, Cream, Zep I&II, etc...) IMO things starting sounding a whole lot better around '70 and after. I suppose it has to do with 16 tracks coming around. Maybe somebody could shed some light on this?? :confused:


Interesting- I kind of think that when you get into the mid 70's or so, drums started sounding pretty bad- lots of damping, gating, and artificial tone through reverb. Obviously there are exceptions!
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