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Maybe this has been answered many times before, but I don't understand why a mac is better for recording. I know they are well built, easy to use, and much more stable. But if you know how to maintain your computer does that really matter? You also get a lot more bang for your buck with a pc or windows based laptop. I'm asking this because i'm looking into getting a new comp, preferably a laptop. Everyone raves about macs for recording but when i look at the specs on a windows based comp and a mac you get a hell of a lot less on the mac for the same dollar. Will a mac still outperform anything else regardless of lower processing speeds and lower ram?

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gdoubleyou Wed, 01/17/2007 - 15:17
Ballz wrote: I think it all comes down to experience. Are you going to believe a list of numbers and specifications, or somebody who has been operating the particular machine in a practical manner. I tend to take a lot more from obviously experienced users than from biased purists.

I have been running Pro Tools on a PC with an AMD Athlon 2100+ processor for 3 years now, and it has been rock solid. My roomate has a 17" Imac Duo Core, and it is extremely quiet and reliable. My PC is louder indeed, but I isolate it and it's not an issue for me. I am building a new PC because I have had positive experiences with a PC. A new PC is cheaper to build, and is totally expandable and upgradable by ME - if you open your Imac, I believe your warranty is void.

You can open to add RAM, Hard drive, without voiding the warranty.

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Member Tue, 01/30/2007 - 11:40
I have read through this whole forum and have never posted here before but I thought I would bring some insight to some recording things I have learned in regards to PC vs. MAC

I have a PC that I run nuendo 3 on with a firepod. Upon doing soming test recordings to see what the pc could handle, I will let you know that I had 26 tracks running while recording 8 more on my PC simultaneous.....all while being connected to the internet. I built it as a gaming pc and have turned it into an all in one Video editing, DAW, Gamer and 3D rendering hoss... Now this isn't to say a MAC can't do that, but I have never seen any mac system be a gaming, video, DAW, graphic design system. I have recently started trying out the mac osx on a seperate pc, and while I love the way it's set up, I just have a hard time switching when windows is so easy to configure and make run well if you just know what you are doing. I have 0 antivirus software, 0 firewall software or spyware software or any of that nonsense. Use firefox, don't download really small software off of P2P sites and services, and use your brain a little.

Windows can work, and I am sure OSX can work well at the same time, I am just stuck on the versitility of having everything you can think of for the pc available, and not to mention the PC IS less expensive if you build it yourself. I am doing all of that work on a pc that cost me $1300

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Member Tue, 01/30/2007 - 17:03
it is just the operating system, i don't know how many macs use athalon, but i used a 2.2 athalon rated at 2400 compared to a 2.8 intel and it was so much faster.

windows is a pain though, i just recently tried installing BFD drum sampling on it and went through a huge headache.

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hueseph Wed, 01/31/2007 - 15:05
wavemakersdj wrote: I have recently started trying out the mac osx on a seperate pc, and while I love the way it's set up, I just have a hard time switching when windows is so easy to configure and make run well if you just know what you are doing. I have 0 antivirus software, 0 firewall software or spyware software or any of that nonsense. Use firefox, don't download really small software off of P2P sites and services, and use your brain a little.

Windows can work, and I am sure OSX can work well at the same time, I am just stuck on the versitility of having everything you can think of for the pc available, and not to mention the PC IS less expensive if you build it yourself. I am doing all of that work on a pc that cost me $1300

YOu can't compare a pc running OSX to a Mac! The thing that Mac users love so much about their machines is that Mac's are built to work. You don't have to worry about this piece of hardware not jiving with this other hardware or that particular peice of software. They work because they were designed to from day 1. Regarding software, it either works on your mac or it doesn't there's no guesswork. You look at the sys req. and your Mac either meets it or it doesn't. With a PC, well it may work if you have the right hardware oh and don't run this while such and such is running and....

By the way, for $1300.00 you can get a pretty nice Mackbook fully loaded with software, blutooth compatability, wireless networking, isight and mic built in. You even get Garageband to tide you over till you buy whatever DAW you prefer.

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cfaalm Thu, 02/15/2007 - 15:03
Viruses? Trojans? Please, a PC for music production should not be connected to the internet.

Make a dual boot, simply twice the same XP/Vista. MS will let you do that. One for music, one for connecting to the internet. Tune them accordingly and discipline yourself to not surf with your music boot. It's that simple. If you really feel you need to connect to the internet with your music boot, only visit trusted sites, like MS, your soundcard manufacturer etc.

Bill Gates is telling the world people hack into a Mac everyday. In theory a Mac is not safer than a Windows PC. It's just that hardly anyone makes the effort to exploit a Mac, but it can be done.

On the other hand, I feel Bill and Steve could do a few more things to make XP or Vista more DAW friendly, like full FW800 support and easier tuning. That would help a lot. I don't know about Vista, but it looks like rain.

I'd say a Mac is probably more DAW-friendly from the get go and a PC takes some extra tuning and thought to get there.

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cfaalm Thu, 02/15/2007 - 15:07
gdoubleyou wrote:
I did see a recent article stating that AMD had approached Apple about using their cpus, so it's a wait and see type of thing.

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Do you have a link? My guess is that's going to be K8L architecture, not the current K8. Intel's C2D is kicking AMD's K8 butt right now.

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hxckid88 Thu, 02/15/2007 - 16:38
Very interesting subject. Heres my 2 cents.

I hated macs, even when I took a photoshop/digital art class in high school. I hated it and it was annoying, then I got used to it...

Then I got more BS on my PC, then my PC started crashing and doing weird stuff. Then I started to hate my PC. It got SO slow and it requires SOOOO MUCH FREAKIN MAINTENANCE!!!!! THEN I started using my friend macbook pro, and started to realize how smooth they run and how little work they record and how smoothly they flow with easy with lovely new dual cores....

In other words....

PC is for stolen software you cannot afford but will buy eventually (and you undertake the risk of crappy cracked software and viruses and non working software and other BS) and PCs are for GAMES and DOWNLOADING things. I think macs are better for being productive *AHEM*AUDIO ENGINEERING*AHEM*.

That is an opinion. My opinion.

I have windows XP and I run both my personal stuff and recording stuff on one computer. BAD BAD BAD IDEA!!!! It's just annoying. Don't do it. If you want a DAW, like others said, dont connect it to the internet.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF US GO TO SCHOOL AND CANT AFFORD 2 OR MORE COMPUTERS!!! IM SORRY I DONT HAVE ANOTHER $1000 FOR A DAW!!! So shuuut the hell up and don't tell me my computer can't be a DAW and a personal gaming machine.

If I could have my pick. I want to upgrade my current computer to a PCIe mobo so I can run more games and just do multimedia and personal stuff on this. I was thinking about getting Macbook Pro for recording just because my school uses software that runs on OSX. Either that or just get an iMAC. But I've used Cubase and I think I want to stick with Cubase. But we'll just have to see because my school uses Pro Tools. Shit. I know....

Oh and vista just sounds like a candy coated XP. Whatev.

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VonRocK Thu, 02/15/2007 - 21:46
cfaalm wrote: . In theory a Mac is not safer than a Windows PC. It's just that hardly anyone makes the effort to exploit a Mac, but it can be done..

Back up your words. I call BS.

Who, What, When, Where, How?

Do you have ANY evidence to back up your words? Oh? You heard Bill Gates tell you that Macs are getting hacked everyday so it must be true.

You are spreading lies. That makes you a liar.

And I'm calling you on it.

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VonRocK Thu, 02/15/2007 - 23:14
Ballz wrote: . A new PC is cheaper to build,

I swear, I turn my head for a second and the same erroneous arguments get made over and over. Did you read the other five pages?

Back up your claim that a PC is cheaper to build. I think what you mean to say is "I can build a CHEAP pc" where cheap is the key word, as opposed to meaning "I can build a computer of the same spec for less money." (Which is technically impossible because you can't buy a copy of OS X and put it on that computer, even if you did find all the hardware significantly cheaper). Don't forget to include your build time, expertise, and the time to shop around for all the bargains in your calculations. Time spent updating drivers, money for antivirus software, down time. You know, Total Cost of Ownership.

I know that most PC users feel that I may be a little over the top with my posts about this topic. I am just doing my part to make sure that wrong information is not spread as truths. Please don't take it personally. People, like me, come here for information and advice. We all hope that the what we get is somewhat true. Not just bunk being passed around as such.


Ballz wrote: . A new PC ... and is totally expandable and upgradable by ME

My good friend and neighbor is using a seven year old G4 that has undergone numerous upgrades and expansions over the years. As much as he wants to buy a Mac Pro, he can't justify the plunge just now, as his machine does everything he needs his DAW to do.

Perhaps you are trying to compare a destop PC to a tablet like computer such as the iMac. Desktops are usually a lot more accomodating for upgrades than laptops or tablets are, regardless of platform. If we are comparing Cheap noisy, bulky frankenPCs to silent, semi portable sexy iMacs, then we should be talking about other factors like noise and size, and not just price.


Ballz wrote: I believe your warranty is void.

I can appreciate your value in a warranty, and your desire to be able to open it up and poke around.

I imagine that if I had just bought a fancy new car and took it back to the dealer with the engine half apart and said the defugkulater was broken, they might be a little reluctant to fix it for free.

Throughout a number of computer builds, I've always taken a value based approach balanced with proven quality hardware and fortunately never needed warranty work (knock on wood). In fact, it's that exact same concept that made me buy a mac instead of building another PC.

But that's not what this is about. It's about making sure that non factual information does not get spread as truth.



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Member Sat, 02/17/2007 - 13:56
The same huh...
So how many Mac-to-PC converts are there? Hmmmm?

I have "converted" dozens of my friends and colleagues to Mac and not a single one has gone back - even the most skeptical of them. It's a simple issue that the Mac is more intuitive. Once you get rid of your PC habits, it's so much easier.

Yes, you can do audio on a PC, but how long does it take you to set it up? I once bought a powerbook and an MBox and broke the cellophane at a gig - I was recording 15 minutes later. Anyone willing to risk that with a PC? My switch to Mac was the result of PC frustrations (like it would crash when I opened the calculator!), and I've never looked back. I'd rather work on music than troubleshoot my DAW every time someone releases a security patch.

That's my gig...

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drumist69 Sat, 02/17/2007 - 18:03
I've run freeware here on my home studio PC ( A stock Dell 2.94 processor, 1 Gig Ram, etc...) and never had a flaw. I use that machine solely for recording...its never been connected to the internet(s). We're getting a used G5 Mac soon here for our main household computer. I may play with recording a bit on it to see the difference. I'm curious! ANDY

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Member Sun, 02/18/2007 - 22:59
...yes, I did read the "other 4 pages", thank you. I just put in my 2 cents - I thought that was legal in this country...

...Anyway, there seems to be a lot of talk about "I can build..." for PCs. It just makes me think of an interview I read with one of the big motion picture scoring guys. He was lamenting how few good composers there are nowadays, and he pointed out that many composers spent most of the 90's trying to keep their MIDI rigs from crashing, when they should have been learning their art better.
Personally, I don't want to hassle with the research and frustration of building a machine - I'm not a computer tech. Just give me something that works right out of the box so I can work on music. In my experience Mac fits the bill.

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