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Yo I just Got The antares Mic Modeler...

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I see A lot of mics on here and i was wondering about some of the possible applications of said plug-in conjunction with the use of some of the mics below...My intention is to record hip hop vocals and i'm trying to get a clean crisp sound. I was also wondering if I should use a microphone pre amp too...

If anybody out there can feel my pain let me know how you feel about the use of these mics and plugins.

Shure Beta 57a
Shure beta 52
Audix OM-2
Shure KSM 27

Please somebody tell me what you think of the antares mic modeler

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sheet Mon, 05/07/2007 - 04:40
The top mics for rap, hip-hop, etc are the Telefunken C12, the AKG version, the Sony C800G, etc, etc. Anything bright on the top end. Your modeler won't have those. Get your money back. That box is not the right tool for the job. What you are seeking (if you are seeking the exact same quality as a major label) might by had with an ADK TT, an Avalon or some other high voltage clean preamp, and maybe some multiband compression/limiting. Really you need what the pros have to get what you are hearing on CDs. But you have to start somewhere. It might be cheaper to book a room with all of the same exact gear and a good engineer.

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Pro Audio Guest Mon, 05/07/2007 - 09:48
Massive Mastering wrote: (A) You don't have a choice - You have to use a preamp. That's not optional.

(B) The Mic Modeler is pretty much a joke. Nothing is going to make a SM57 sound like a 414 or a U87. It's not even close. It's more or less a glorified EQ.

If you had, say, a U87 that you wanted to make sound like a SM57, would it work?

That's how I heard it described at Full Sail-- use a high-quality mic and make it into ANOTHER high-quality mic.

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Pro Audio Guest Mon, 05/07/2007 - 10:39
I cant afford to get the exact sound I'm looking for. I want That Industry standard sound but DAMN... The Telefunken Mic cost as much as a down payment on a cheap house (lol). What do you guys think about using a
SM57 with the Presonus Micpre. By The way I'm very appreciative of all the replies you guys are a godsend and if any of you are interested I'll send you free copies of my project and a tee shirt when I wrap this thing up.
To tell you a little about me...I'm a hip hop artist ( No Not like what you hear on the radio because most of that stuff on the radio sounds the same and we will all forget it as soon as next years "Next big thing comes out" you know how that goes) anyway...I started producing 6 years ago because producers were charging to much and the ones i was dealing with are too caught up with sounding exactly like someone else all the time. I got some software (Sonar 5, Soundforge 7, Reason 3.0, and Damn near 300 different plug ins) I made most of my own tracks (unmixed) I write all of my own lyrics and I wear about a million different hats (It' doesn't help when you have a peanut head). I rely on controlled testing and reading materials to gain skills and knowledge about actually recording. I don't know sh#$ about engineering but I'm learning and I thank you guys for being a part of that process. Let me know what you think about that Shure SM57 mic and the presonus micpre and let me know if i need a mic amp too.

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Pro Audio Guest Mon, 05/07/2007 - 12:31
Hip hop Mics & Mic modeler...

Yo I just found the updated Presets for Mic Mod And they include the following

Shure ksm32
Sony c800g
Telefunken U47

I was thinking about using one of these as an output preset and using a Shure beta 57A as the input. I know there is no way to completely get over the fact that some of these mics cost like $8,000 but i'm thinking that maybe (please god) just maybe i might be able to get a little bit of their eq characteristics.

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sheet Mon, 05/07/2007 - 18:26
Re: Hip hop Mics & Mic modeler...

empri330 wrote: Yo I just found the updated Presets for Mic Mod And they include the following

Shure ksm32
Sony c800g
Telefunken U47

I was thinking about using one of these as an output preset and using a Shure beta 57A as the input. I know there is no way to completely get over the fact that some of these mics cost like $8,000 but i'm thinking that maybe (please god) just maybe i might be able to get a little bit of their eq characteristics.

Look, the logic is stupid. You can't make a modeled mic sound like the real deal. The 57A reacts completely different to the condenser mics, and it being a beta with NDym magnets does horrid things to the sound. So the Antares is supposed to eliminate the effects of the 57A and then make it sound like a Sony? Hardly.

It is not just about reproducing a signature EQ. It is sensitivity, off axis rejection, proximity, dynamics, etc. You cannot make one mic sound like another.

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zemlin Thu, 05/17/2007 - 09:34
nandoph8 wrote:
If you had, say, a U87 that you wanted to make sound like a SM57, would it work?

Are you serious??
Use a $200 plugin to make a $3000 microphone sound like a $80 microphone. Seems perfectly logical to me. Go for it! and be sure to post samples. 8-)

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Cucco Tue, 05/22/2007 - 11:51
This is friggin killing me. Seriously.

We are SO spoiled by choices in today's marketplace that I think we've all gone mad.

Believe it or not, back in the day when HITS were made (not "artists" incubated by corporations such as Disney and Warner Brothers), recording studios had a console with 32 or more identical preamps, an outboard compressor or two (unless it was built into their board, in which case they'd have 32 or more identical compressors and of course EQs.) and probably a handful of nearly identical or similar mics.

Now we apparently need every kind of equipment under the sun! 50 different kinds of mics, 20 different kinds of preamps, 4 different flavors of compressors, 2 different flavors of AD and DA conversion.

Frankly, I'm starting to think people are over compensating for their lack of ability with an over-abundance of equipment.

Here's the best "mic modeler" in the world:

Let's say you have a Neuman TLM103 (using this as an example since so many project studios get this as their first "REAL" mic) and a GT Brick Pre (random). Now, you're recording a vocalist and you find that he sounds bright and nasally. What do you do?

A - Reach for the EQ
B - Reach for the Antares mic modeler
C - Grab a different microphone
D - Grab a different preamp
E - Go out and fiddle with the existing mic til you get the sound you want


If you answered A-D, walk away now. Don't look back, just walk away.

To get a different sound, try placing the mic differently. Try lowering it a bit (the reason it's nasally is probably because the vocalist is having to tilt up a little to get "into" the mic. The reason it's bright is because it's directly on axis and above or at the mouth's opening.) If lowered, the vocalist can relax a little and the opening of the mouth is now firing a little off axis of the mic taking advantage of the mic's very smooth off-axis characteristics.

What's that you say? You're now getting too many plosives. You wanna reach for that pantyhose over the hanger (or pop filter)? Try moving the mic 10 degrees left or right of the opening of the mouth. Now, no more pops, a warm and full sound out of an otherwise bright microphone.

You could say you just turned your TLM 103 into a TLM49...hmmmmmm....nature's mic modeler.


Just some thoughts.

J.

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