To get to the point my Edirol MA-10D monitors do really go low as 45hz to 35kHz -2db. :)

You are trying to push an agenda here that has everyone pissed off at you and most everyone is starting to think you are a TROLL. People such as myself have tried to help you learn but you don't seem to "get it".

Lots of people have "taken you under their wings" and tried to set you strait but you don't seem to be able to take the subtle hints so IN PLAIN ENGLISH - What you have is a couple of very low end hi fi - high end computer speakers that are not real MONITOR speakers in any sense of the word and yet you keep trying to justify your purchasing them. You can push all the specs you want and you can tell us that they really do go down to such and such frequency but they cannot defy the laws of physics and the sound of them is very ROOM SPECIFIC. So listen to what others are trying to tell you, shread the spec sheets, listen to REAL monitor speakers sound like and listen to them with the two best test instruments your creator has given you - YOUR EARS. When you hear what a real monitor speakers sound like you should be able to tell what you have is not a real monitor speaker in any sense of the word. If you can't hear the difference I suggest going into a different line of work. Audio is NOT for you.

Read what others have told you and take it to heart or pretty soon everyone will start to turn you off BIG TIME!

Just a suggestion from someone who has tried to help you mulitiple times.

-TOM-

I never understand why people say that word alot but what does troll mean?? Please define it so I understand since it might be a good thing.

If anyone didn't know by now, yes our friend VanillaIce is most definitely a troll. Whether he means to be or not, he just is.

But just for a laugh, imagine his goofy a$$ touring the Edirol factory in Japan and asking them a million questions they don't care about. :lol: I'm not sure which is a funnier picture in my mind, his previous "spike" avatar or his latest one.

vanilla - you make me laugh

I imagine you as a 1 year old in a baby seat being spoonfed by his mother. You really do not understand - people are trying to clown on you but you don't get it

Bon voyage, Vanillaice378.

Its been real, and its been nice, but it just hasn't been real nice. 8)

Vanillaice378 wrote: I never understand why people say that word a lot but what does troll mean?? Please define it so I understand since it might be a good thing.

From the web:

In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who makes inflammatory comments, which by effect or design cause disruptions in discourse, or a post made by such a person. Trolling can be described as a breaching experiment, which, because of the use of an alternate persona, allows for normal social boundaries and rules of etiquette to be tested or otherwise broken, without serious consequences.

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into no win discussion.

A classic troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science.

He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many trolls are people trying to promote their own agenda.

Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

There are other things I could add but I think you get the idea.

FWIW

-TOM-