Hold up folks. I think I got f*cked! The guy sent me a bogus tracking number. Oh well, the old saying "too good to be true" may be supported again!

Rob

First of all, tracking numbers can take 48 hrs to come on line. I have had some tracking numbers take 72 hrs.

Second, Piss on the 112.

Sorry, I grew very tired of it the first day and decided on the RE 20 beside the foot on a desk stand pointing at the pad/15 degrees off.

Their is another mic that slays the D112 for cheap. We call it the "dick on soft".

That is right. The stubby from radio shack has been packaged by Senhieser, and other companys for a 4 or 5 pack of them running in the order retail of 400 to 600 bucks, going as cheap as 169 for a pack of 4, radio shack has the same mic on sale for 19.99. Same guts. Same everything.

D112 is a D112. This fellow sounds like your head is down there listening.

Ok, sounds rediculous>

Go get one. You need a cable.

I have gotten "ok" results from a 112 but never set flat. If I am going to twist some EQ, that stubby satisfys so much better (especially at 50hZ and the 4K) and it is low priced and well made.

When I get less tired, I can post a radio shack link for them.

I have made a believer at 16 studios with this thing, No BS.

Well, Bill and I usually agree on most things but sometimes we don't. The D112 is one of the things we don’t agree on obviously. Oh well, he can't be right all the time hehehe :D
I like the D112 better than any other kick mic. I have heard a lot of people say it sounds like a basketball hitting the floor but I like that sound. I also find the D112 kicks ass on floor toms and Bass amps. But the real shocker is on a Marshall cab for deep crunch guitar. I have never been into the RE 20 as a kick mic. It just doesn't have enough snap in it for my taste. Too poofy. Really there is no right or wrong on things like this. It's all very subjective. The D112 is a well made mic, holds it's value reasonably well, is sturdy and is suitable for a variety of applications. .... Fats
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Wow, a $19 mic that sounds good??? Very cool. I will check it out. You're right about the tracking numbers taking a while. Turns out the guy sent me the right number, but missed one of the numbers. It is in fact on it's way to me for $139 shipping and all and I should have it tomorrow. Hope Cedar is right about it being a decent mic, but I can sell it on ebay again if the radio shack mic sounds good too. I'm definately not opposed to saving money. Probably will keep it regardless though for things like micing bass amps and such. Thanks for the thoughts though. Bill, I am looking forward to trying your 3 mic set-up for drums on a jazz trio that I'm going to record in a couple of weeks. Take care.

Rob

THIS i gotta hear...for $19 i'll try it..but pardon my doubt.......i'm currently into a two-mic kick set up...theres an audix d-4 in on the head at about 15% off axis for the 'tick' and a atm25 out either in the front or slightly off-center and facing across the opening at 25% for the 'whump'...mix to taste..in some cases your mileage may vary..but seldom will it sound as good and be so damn easy to set up...this requires no outboard mic pres,eq,or compression...besides you can do that later...

Hey guys!
If it is true that the radio shack mics are the same as the sennheisers, I will be outdone!! I got one and would like to catch the rest on sale, but, it seems the stores can't get them here for my order. Anyway, if this mic is better(?) than the D112, I will be double outdone! I have tried the mic on my bass drum, double headed evans, 18" bass drum, and the results have not been the best. I admittedly have to pad the drum down more, too much ring, but the mixer my band uses, is a Samson and the eq'ing is the pits! (Outboard EQ, anyone??) I get a boom-ooiiinggg, thing happening. Anyway, I am encouraged that the radio shack works for some of you. I will have to experiment more.

alrich

Originally posted by Bill Roberts:

Their is another mic that slays the D112 for cheap. We call it the "dick on soft".

That is right. The stubby from radio shack has been packaged by Senhieser, and other companys for a 4 or 5 pack of them running in the order retail of 400 to 600 bucks, going as cheap as 169 for a pack of 4, radio shack has the same mic on sale for 19.99. Same guts. Same everything..................................................................
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If I am going to twist some EQ, that stubby satisfys so much better (especially at 50hZ and the 4K) and it is low priced and well made.

When I get less tired, I can post a radio shack link for them.

I have made a believer at 16 studios with this thing, No BS.

Hi Bill,
What is this RS mic called, the stubby??
Is this the same as the Sen. e604 kick mic?
Thanks for the info you've shared thus far.

Actually it is the same as the Sennheiser. They discontinued them very quickly.

It is not a fantastic mic, it is a lot like a 57...it is just at a fantastic price when they were available, a shade better than a 57, faster than a d112.

It was one of those flukes that come along from time to time. Yes, you got to work with it but I have some good drums sounds recorded with them.

Nothing precision but for the budget minded, very good.

Gotcha,
Thanks my friend.

Hi maniacs !
Did you try to recording the bass drum with d112 inside and beta91 on the front of the drum ? I'm used this configuration frequently. But and the other configuration is verry interesting: beta91 inside and d112 on the resonant head.
Try this !
Cheers

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I second the recommendation of the D112 for floor tom, especially when getting most of the sound from the overheads and just adding the "oomph" from the d112. For kick, I adore the MD421.

/Henrik

Henrik, You're probably right about the Sennheisser being a great mic for kick, though I havent tried it.The difference is that it sells for over $300 as opposed to the D112 which can be had for half of that (and it's a great mic).

BSW is doing MD421's for $299 with the shockmount. http://www.bswusa.com But I still like the D112 better. It has more low end and more tick.. The 421 is very hard and mid range-ish sounding, not a lot of deep low. The RE 20 is, as I said earlier, to poofy.. D112 has lots of lows (natural, not eq'ed in like on a 52) and a nice snap or "tick" around 5K ......

Kurt,
I have a question for you that you might be able to answer. I am going to be buying a kick mic soon, probably a D112 because that is the one I have used and liked, though I also like the Audix D6. A friend wants me to listen to the ATM25.
I've been around for a while, I'm a drummer in his 50's but I've always relied on a sound man for my mic'ing and now I'm learning the skills myself. Anyway here's the question:
A young drummer that I know was telling me about the Samson Q3 as a possible kick mic. He says it's great, but I'm always careful about over zealous young musicians. He says it operates on a humbucker coil and is a great kick mic for jazz and blues (what I play). The price is low, only about $100. I don't automatically dismiss mics that are inexpensive because I've found that some sound good. Have you heard of this mic and if so, what's the story with it?

I've just started recording drums. I picked up an Audix D12 as part of a package deal. I'm pleased with it. I get good lows around 60 and attack around 4k with very little/no tweaking. Would I notice a huge improvement by using a D112?

I am not familiar with the Audix D12. Did you mean the Audix D6? Because that is an exceptional kick drum mic, and will equal and depending on your personal tastes even out-perform the AKG D112. They're both real good mics though.
As a follow up on one of my previous posts, I mentioned the Samson Q3 as a possible kick drum mic. Well I went and saw one, FORGET IT! Samson sells this item as a kick drum mic, and it may be a perfectly good mic for certain other applications, but definitely not for kick. It's a small diaphram mic about the same size as a SM57. It will be easily overwhelmed by a kick drum. caveat emptor.
My list of suitable kick mics would be:
AKG D112
Audix D6
Shure Beta 52
ATM25
and that's about it for recording.
For live stage mic'ing where you don't have as critical an ear, you can get away with:
Shure PG52
CAD KBM412
Audix F12
AT 25 Pro (I just found out about this one here and checked it out)
But these just don't sound the same.

The Pro-25 (AT) is more like a 57 to my ears, I have one of those and one of the ATM-25's which is a TOTALLY different mic. The ATM-25 on kick nails you in the solar plexus without leaving you wondering where the "sizzle" went - for live or recorded sound, it works really good @ about 8-10 inches from the beater strike point, inside the shell, pointed almost dead at the beater impact but from the side about 4-5 inches. I love mine, gonna order a second one in case I wanna stereo mic something with a lotta low end.

They're on sale at American Musical Supply, just got a new catalog couple days ago. I paid $169 and thought it was a good deal, now they're on for $139.

Brighter than a 112, but it's easier to turn DOWN the treble than to have to BOOST it, and that extra slap cuts through on boom boxes... Steve

I also own the ATM25 and it's a wonderful mic. I got it at a very reduced price because GC is discontinuing this mic and they made a brief mistake and priced it at the same price that they had for the AT Pro 25 (a mistake that they immediately corrected).
The AKG D112 is a wonderful kick mic though and very versatile, but it does have a sound of its own. It's not as specific a sound as the Beta 52 which I feel is good only for a heavy rock sound, but it is a bit stacatto. The ATM25 is a warmer and rounder mic and much more suited to traditional jazz and blues which is what I prefer to play.It picks up the resonance of the shell more. When I need a slammin' rock kick mic, I will use the CAD KBM412 which I picked up fom GC for $50. For that heavy rock sound, you can't beat it especially at that price. When I don't use it on kick, it makes a great floor tom mic.