http://recording.org/threads/parallel-compression.59296/#post-438052

audiokid, post: 439045, member: 1 wrote: Hey, this got me thinking....

Boswell , DonnyThompson , @Sean G , Kurt Foster dvdhawk anyone for that matter.. Thoughts?
I'm thinking RO has some of the most useful discussion on compression yet we seem to be refer readers to outside content when it comes to some of the more technical , even fundamental stuff? We should be writing our own references and tagging it so all we need to do it type the word and it autolinks or even better, it is part of our tagging references. (y)

Thoughts?

As an example: Look at the awesome threads MrEase has put together about jitter. http://recording.org/tags/jitter/

Our reference about compression could be "tagged" here: http://recording.org/tags/compression/

I think it's a great idea if we can keep that educational content up to Boswell standards, (based on verifiable facts), and Mr. Ease's treatise on clock-jitter would certainly be the gold-standard.

There's no telling how much of the content we create is being used / shared / borrowed elsewhere. Several years ago, I modified a simple graphic to answer an RO question someone had about wiring a ¼" jack. Now I see that graphic being used at a couple dozen other sites around the web.

dvdhawk, post: 439050, member: 36047 wrote: I think it's a great idea if we can keep that educational content up to Boswell standards, (based on verifiable facts), and Mr. Ease's treatise on clock-jitter would certainly be the gold-standard.

There's no telling how much of the content we create is being used / shared / borrowed elsewhere. Several years ago, I modified a simple graphic to answer an RO question someone had about wiring a ¼" jack. Now I see that graphic being used at a couple dozen other sites around the web.

:love:

I think that if we searched through the archives of RO, we'd probably find some very good posts explaining gain reduction and its parameters; and although some of those posts may be quite old now, the info would still be valid.

I'll be the first to admit that I've been guilty of posting links to outside sources - such as SOS - when a new member posts a query on a subject; part of this is simple laziness on my part, in that it seems as though we've explained the various processes and discussed some of these topics so much that it feels a bit repetitive to continue to do so - but - I realize that this isn't the right attitude to take. People come here because they need assistance and guidance, because they have questions, and I should be better about helping to provide and explain the answers, if I have the knowledge and experience to be able to do so.

;)

@Sean G not been to the studio this week.. will post a drum track.

Yeah I do try and read the other posts here on compression to find an answer. But sometime need to ask some specific questions, and a good conversation.

Thanks all!

Yeah, maybe the mods should sticky a few more articles than has been stuck in a while, particularly for common ongoing topics, like the jitter thread, or something ongoing like the mix biz. At least the topics wouldn't be strewn about as much. Lol in truth, I find the conversions often drift off topic, something I'm extremely guilty of.

As for my contribution, I've been compiling acoustic based data in PDF form for about 2 years, both for my own webdsit/references, and in hopes of putting it up here as a well rounded set of resources. I just didn't say anything because it's not organized yet. It's one of the projects when my setup is running, that I'm looking forward too.

I think it's healthy to link to outside resources, as well as our own, I am undoubtably guilty of just googling a link rather than searching RO, honestly I don't know why.

The absolute number one reason I hang here is because of the members. It's difficult to find objectivity, and advice that pertains to "your" specific needs elsewhere. I find the people here, both well known, and in general, don't subscribe to the mine is the best for everyone, school of advice. I've never been around a more collectively patient, altruistic, group of people. I was thinking about it the other night, I was like wow, I actually spend more time talking w my RO buddies, than the family members I live with. In all fairness I don't think my family would have much to say about the relevance of multi band limiting in a non mastering scenario lol.

RO is by far the most well rounded enjoyable forum I'm part of, Barr none, music related or not.

I'll try and say this without too much confusion. A wordsmith I am not.

Keep creating, asking, responding, reopening OLD threads, repeating or cross posting, including posting links to outside sources but I do think we are (including myself) doing a disservice to our readers and ourselves by giving so much credit to other domains when in fact, RO is the Grandfather of Pro Audio Forums. :cool:

The evolving process of highlighting the best of what we do looks like we can do this better using the tags system.

Some history:

I started this forum (Sept 1998) many years before the explosion of social media. My intent has always been true to the art and to find ways to help manufactures and members discover each other through a way of organizing content. I had know idea it would have gotten this far and I would be so blessed to meet so many amazing people along the way. :love:

RO was the original pro audio community that migrated over from R.A.P. "rec audio pro". Many of these people were "Grammy awarded" engineers with incredible vintage history. Not to exclude others who do not have big names but are the gems that never say who they are or were labeled, but we know, they know what they are talking about.

As RO grew, so did the corruption of shilling and business opportunities, thus... look at what social media is all about now.

Back to tags:

The tagging system can really help us target content in a way that members can fine tune how we find it. I've been editing tags to reflect thread content better. I can give tag editing permission to our members too.
This makes it possible for us the streamline or broaden the list of tags to a thread as we see fit.

Just thinking here. If a thread gets really amazing, a member could edit the list of a tags to include special tags.
A tags list could include a members name.

• Bos compression

• Donny's Parallel Compression
• Kurt on tracking
• the 2 DAW system .... ?

Thus, even if a thread started out as Parametric Compression or Orban 622b, a month later it evolved into pretty amazing theard that is currently going into passive summing.
passive summing so a member that added something he/she felt useful , could edit the tag list to include the tag "passive summing"

As we populate our tag system, clicking on tags will get us there. Its almost like adding bookmarks for the community.

Tags example for this thread are currently here:

• http://recording.org/tags/compression/
• http://recording.org/tags/peak-limiting/

As part of my business, I have to explain audio concepts to complete novices on a regular basis. When I install a sound system in a church, or school, I'm not done until we've had an hour or two with the volunteer sound-people to give them an overview of what all this new equipment does. But the challenge is always finding a way to explain it to them, in a way that might make sense to someone with absolutely zero prior experience. These groups often range from kids in their teens, all the way up to folks in their 70s-80s. Sometimes I'll get a tech-savy musician, or someone with live-sound experience, or radio experience, but they are few and far between. Usually it's me and 5-10 people who need to learn everything from the Gain knob on in.

So as far as the elementary explanations, I can help with some of that by rote.

For example, here's one from 2009 on compressor basic, basic, basics. It won't win any prizes, but I think it's a solid baby-step in the right direction for a beginner.

dvdhawk, post: 439067, member: 36047 wrote: For example, here's one from 2009 on compressor
basic, basic, basics. It won't win any prizes, but I think it's a solid baby-step in the right direction for a beginner.

excellent Dave, so what I did just now... I followed your link to the thread and updated the tags (NOTE that thread was created before we had a tag system)

I edited and added the tag > compression and compression resource
We "you" (all members with tag editing privileges can update addition tags of OP which would depict a particular (special) resource. Thus, we can quickly find the best of the best because we as a community follow a protocol for naming tags.

Again, we can use tags to bookmark per-say.Thus, empower us to point readers to "special threads we all now include the keyword plus (hyphen) -resource
We could establish community tagging standards to include key words.
example could be:
"compression resource" Thus, we have thousands of threads about compression but some of those threads are resources. Thus, I tagged dvdhawks with 2 tags. One tag is compression and the other compression resource.

So, we will find compression threads and we will find compression resource

http://recording.org/tags/compression/
http://recording.org/tags/compression-resource/

Make sense?

Learning more as we discuss this today, here is our tag search engine.
http://recording.org/tags/

NOTE: I had link errors and some typos above. They are now fixed.

audiokid, post: 439062, member: 1 wrote: As RO grew, so did the corruption of shilling and business opportunities, thus... look at what social media is all about now.

Lol every time I sign on to FB, there's adds for the gear I just looked at. I cane beat them, so I join them. I use social media and GS to shill, as well as help out and socialize. I've intentionally avoided that over here, you'll notice I often refer to the studios as "the studios" instead of there names. RO has been kept clean of these types of constant schilling and links to people's own business sites, and I like that.

dvdhawk, post: 439067, member: 36047 wrote: As part of my business, I have to explain audio concepts to complete novices on a regular basis. When I install a sound system in a church, or school, I'm not done until we've had an hour or two with the volunteer sound-people to give them an overview of what all this new equipment does. But the challenge is always finding a way to explain it to them, in a way that might make sense to someone with absolutely zero prior experience. These groups often range from kids in their teens, all the way up to folks in their 70s-80s. Sometimes I'll get a tech-savy musician, or someone with live-sound experience, or radio experience, but they are few and far between. Usually it's me and 5-10 people who need to learn everything from the Gain knob on in.

So as far as the elementary explanations, I can help with some of that by rote.

For example, here's one from 2009 on compressor basic, basic, basics. It won't win any prizes, but I think it's a solid baby-step in the right direction for a beginner.

I am in that boat often, and that's one reason why I've decided to organize my own documentation. It's nice to have good solid reference material to point clients too. It seems with me anyway, I've got the perfect thing they need, lol but it's at home. Or there's no printer, Ect Ect.

It'll be great when things are more easily acessable and we can all contribute to the various resources.

Long live RO!!

Also, if there's any sort of formats, or standards, Ect that will help as far as posts and stuff, I'll be glad to oblige. I have to admit I'm pretty green when it comes to tags, and searches, and even social media I'm very much newbish. So I'll be happy to learn And stick w the format/program.

kmetal, post: 439072, member: 37533 wrote: Lol every time I sign on to FB, there's adds for the gear I just looked at. I cane beat them, so I join them. I use social media and GS to shill, as well as help out and socialize. I've intentionally avoided that over here, you'll notice I often refer to the studios as "the studios" instead of there names. RO has been kept clean of these types of constant schilling and links to people's own business sites, and I like that.

Nice to read that Kyle.

This is why I added the Resources plug-in to RO. I think we need to support our businesses and businesses we value, so the Resource add-on does this respectfully.

kmetal, post: 439073, member: 37533 wrote: Also, if there's any sort of formats, or standards, Ect that will help as far as posts and stuff, I'll be glad to oblige. I have to admit I'm pretty green when it comes to tags, and searches, and even social media I'm very much newbish. So I'll be happy to learn And stick w the format/program.

Thanks.:love:

I've now just updated tagging permission for all members that have the banner Support Member now

I can see how tagging helps, but are "Stickys" in the forum sub-categories still relevant?
Should there be a place where you pool these resource posts meant to be purely educational?

dvdhawk, post: 439076, member: 36047 wrote: I can see how tagging helps, but are "Stickys" in the forum sub-categories still relevant?
Should there be a place where you pool these resource posts meant to be purely educational?

Good points. I like Stickys but I find they can dominate a forum category pretty fast. And fill up the recent post list and stop people from looking past. I prefer to see Stickys "stick" to current news or "to the point" opening statements of a forum category.
I will on occasion, pull old threads from the past and stick them to inspire discussion. Then unstick and go back to a clean current list of threads.

Tagging is definitely ideal for specific products or additional "turns" a thread can take that the title does not include.

An example of this can be read in the recent Orban 622b discussion Sean started. Tagging it with the "tag" 622B points exact product to a discussion. Because we are human, a search engine cannot know I included a reasons why I no longer feel the 622b is needed. I explain and "could tag " following "reasons" found in other threads.

As an example, I use a passive summing system. Had I not, I would have missed why hardware EQ,s, particularity parametric are more useful to me ITB than OTB. So, I can update a thread tag list to include "passive summing" and how I incorporate parametrics on the master bus of the second DAW and so on...

One might say, well we have search engine that does that but tagging or stickys might miss some added attributes left for the imagination.
I also think we have to be policing the tags so they do not get out of hand , to preserve the integrity of the main OP but when used smartly, they should enhance the forum.

I would expect that when a thread gets too far off, we would then split it as I did for this thread just now.

dvdhawk, post: 439076, member: 36047 wrote: Should there be a place where you pool these resource posts meant to be purely educational?

This is kinda what I had in mind. Tags seem good for identifying content within long or windy discussions. Perhaps there could be something like where there is an educational piece, like for instance "how to use star grounding in your studio plans" where an author(s) is/are the sole presenter, whether the member wrote it, or it's an article from a trusted source like BBC.

At this point the post/article is fixed, only to be edited by the OP, and members and guests, can either leave a comment ala you tube style or the sticky style. Or start a new thread but based directly off the info presented in the "fixed" post/presentation. That way we have a common reference, and since the reference is approved, we don't get into arguments about the source itself. Also it'll be a familiar article to the regulars, so we don't have to closely read yet another article on the same topic, skimming for errors Ect. Reading yet another different article about the same topic of start grounding, or whatever.

It would also help to be able to point clients to directly over here, vs having to fish through my files, or hope my internet works, Yada Yada. I simple link to RO could benefit the client, and RO mutually.

Particularly in the acoustics realm, things like RFZ are a 'standard apporach' but the myriad of arcticls about 'spoundproof' foam, or things like that, require a lot of detective work and fishing for test data Ect ect.

I'm not sure I expressed what I'm saying properly I'm a bit off today, but hopefully you all get the gyst.

kmetal, post: 439079, member: 37533 wrote: This is kinda what I had in mind. Tags seem good for identifying content within long or windy discussions. Perhaps there could be something like where there is an educational piece, like for instance "how to use star grounding in your studio plans" where an author(s) is/are the sole presenter, whether the member wrote it, or it's an article from a trusted source like BBC.

Despite my editing of typo's and trying to find the best wording. Yes, you guys are following well.

We can include keywords like "education" or even a two word tag> "compression education " or "compression resource" The tag will put a thread into a group of tags.

See the tag list the top of this thread. You see this thread has two tags

1. about us

2. tags.
   depending on what tag we click, this thread tags will take us to related threads. Follow?

See this thread;
http://recording.org/threads/best-place-to-buy-tube-replacement-kit-for-la-610.58680/
There is clearly a missing tag that should be added. Maybe even a few as we read other posts in this thread.
What tags are missing?

audiokid, post: 439080, member: 1 wrote: depending on what tag we click, this thread tags will take us to related threads. Follow?

Slowly. It's like a matrix I guess. I like the tag method, vs the typical blue hyperlinks you see in articles. It keeps it organized, and doesn't force the reader to read every word of an entire thread, to get more info.

I think I would edit the tag tubes to read "pre amp tube" or add that tag, just to specify that it's not a general discussion on tubes, or tubes for various equipment. But I'm not sure if that's splitting hairs.

good one.

I see the tag tube replacement kits missing. I'm adding it.

and thatjeffguy mentioned NOS tubes, which points a reference to tube depot. I'm not adding tubedepot.com but I am adding NOS tubes

Can you add preamp tubes . I would make that plural as this is a reference to where to buy tubes and kits.

How about this new post:
http://recording.org/threads/recording-a-band-live-using-8-tracks-or-less.59504/

as it evolves, as we read it we can look at the tags to see if they are correct, need correcting or we can include others.

audiokid, post: 439087, member: 1 wrote: Can you add preamp tubes . I would make that plural as this is a reference to where to buy tubes and kits.

Done. Seemed to work first shot, done w my iPad.

Anyone with advice on tagging. please share.

Since we currently do not have a thread on this subject I did some searching and found this which I think does a great job explaining the pros and cons to tags.

https://managewp.com/how-to-tag-effectively

audiokid, post: 439089, member: 1 wrote: How about this new post:
http://recording.org/threads/recording-a-band-live-using-8-tracks-or-less.59504/

as it evolves, as we read it we can look at the tags to see if they are correct, need correcting or we can include others.

I added a couple for trial/error that I thought might be appropriate. I would however, remove the general tag "recording" which I'm not able to do. It's a bit of a blanket tag, imho. I say this not to request more capability but rather, I can see where there could be a lot of tags that get added, so someone would have to filter them I would imagine, for the sake of brevity. Just some observations.

I like this new approach so far in general. I've been trying to get 17 years worth of my recorded material together, it's crazy how much data gets duplicated, lost, and spread out. As an aside, it's been generally fun getting back in touch w old band mates, and listening to my old work. It's unfortunate that some seemed to have only survived in MP3 format. That's the main reason for my NAS, and 192k, obsession/work flow.

I think this new angle on RO, is gonna help ensure the best/most useful info is preserved. Dare I say we are all setting a new standard together? I like the constant evolution I've witnessed over here in the years I've been hanging.

kmetal, post: 439094, member: 37533 wrote: I think this new angle on RO, is gonna help ensure the best/most useful info is preserved. Dare I say we are all setting a new standard together? I like the constant evolution I've witnessed over here in the years I've been hanging.

right on. (y)

Here is a n example a lot of bad tags including in the wrong sub-forum:
http://recording.org/threads/sdc-for-acoustic-guitar-stereo-vs-mono.59092/

I'm guessing the bolded text was done by you? Seems like some of the bolded text would be more accurate tags.

No, didn't even see this thread until now. But most of the tags are all poor imho. I would remove these and just have acoustic guitar mics and SDC for acoustic recording guitars

gotcha. I deleted my post because it didn't make a lot of sense, upon re read. I must have deleted it while you were responding. I think between the threads title, and the two tags you've suggested, that gets the point across.

kmetal, post: 439101, member: 37533 wrote: I think between the threads title, and the two tags you've suggested, that gets the point across

yes.

To expand on why I think this
has bad tags,

These Tags:

• microphone
• recording
• condenser
• sdc
• stereo
• folk

... all way to common. I mean, what do any of those tags have to do with the thread. We do these things in almost every thread discussed here.

follow?

audiokid, post: 439102, member: 1 wrote: ... all way to common. I mean, what do any of those tags have to do with the thread. We do these things in almost every thread discussed here.

follow?

I think so. It's basically identifying key words from a thread that are in part or whole, topics on there own. So it makes it easy to get more info on them. So when someone brings up pre amps, and conversion inevitably shows up in the conversation, it's easy to "switch channels" so to speak, and get up to speed.

Personally I'm sure I've asked boz, and others, very basic questions about electronics or networking, in the middle of a thread about speakers, or whatever. The tags would help me quickly jump to one of the many informative posts on the topic, without having to make someone type rudimentary info, or me hijacking the thread.

Is that on the right track?

I think so.

Well, I'll operate under that line of thinking, and I'm sure it will get refined over time. I just wanted to be pretty sure, before I start editing things. Don't wanna mess anything up. So just like running takes in the studio, I welcome any criticisms and instruction/guidence.

To add,
When we add a tag to a thread that has never been entered, the tag system creates it like a new folder.
If we add a tag to a thread that has been entered before, the tag system links the thread it to all other threads with that tag name.

Example. if a thread topic is about micing a guitar cabinet and someone suggest using a royer R-121. I would most likely add the tag "royer R-121" "micing a guitar cabinet". "electric guitar microphones"

Now, if a member some day creates another thread about micing electric guitars, and he ads the one of the choices of tag that come up in the list of tags, his thread and any other thread that shares that same tag will be grouped together in the data base.

Threads with the same tag get connected.

Make sense?

Uhm... I'm not as literate as the rest of you guys when it comes to this...

question... how is this different than creating tags in the tag window when you create a post?

Pardon if this is different from what you are discussing... I'm trying to wrap my foggy brain around this new method...