I can't think of a mastering facility that doesn't offer online file transfer...

Heck, I probably haven't met 80% of my clients over the past 5 or 6 years (not long before that, it was probably the opposite). I sort of miss attended sessions (although even back in the day, many clients would drop-off and pick-up... Mastering can get pretty darn boring for the client), but there's been a lot of development and I dare say certain advantages to 'remote session' for many people.

If there's a downside, an awful lot of rather questionable-at-best "online mastering facilities" have popped up overnight... Many of them not exactly on the up-and-up... One must be cautious and diligent when choosing an engineer/facility...

^^^^^^What he said...

jmm22, post: 361470 wrote:
Are any recording.org mastering engineers providing this kind of service? If so, how well does this work for you, and for your clients?

Sure, I do it also and works well.

Thanks for the interesting and helpful replies gentlemen. I did not realize it is as common as indicated, perhaps because it's not always the first bit
of information to jump out from various mastering house websites. My reading was not exhaustive, but I was running across this service often enough to prompt the question.

In my case, Online Mastering is not a "type of Mastering" but certainly a service, another way for clients to provide their mixes fast and safe and also get a pretty good average time frame to do their work and of course, they do not have to attend if it is not their wishes or simply because they are to far away.

Why do they charge per song when if 2 or 3 songs sound good thru the mastering chain, all 12 will too? It's kind of like, get the few sounding good, and put the songs in order with the fades and let her go. I know there's a real time factor involved when recording to a master in which would take about 40 minutes for 12 songs (approximately), but after you set the gear where they need to be, it's all done after the real time recording on a master is done. Yet they charge sometimes for 6 songs and less, 12 songs and less, or sometimes per song.

It's incredibly rare when the same settings are used from one mix to the next. There may be common elements, but very rarely "the same" elements.

That said - For sure, there are "shortcuts" created during the session with those potential common elements - Over time, you can average that out to make a reasonable "per song" rate that works (I chose to go a different route, as "per song" almost always shot me in the foot - but it works for some).

THAT said, I much prefer to just charge hourly anyway (although the "package rates" are usually what it comes down to in the end). Hourly is honest and easy to figure out. But a lot of people need to know the price up front.

Man, I've been going about this all wrong! Thanks for your advice. I've been doing this without any guidance.

Do you think in different music, take like bluegrass instruments where all the same instruments are played the same way in each song, there might be an exception?

I have also been using on line mastering model for many years. I always try to use http:// for both incoming and outgoing files, as they don't have ads and spam. The internet is ideal for quick feedback on results.

engineer971, post: 362589 wrote: Man, I've been going about this all wrong! Thanks for your advice. I've been doing this without any guidance.

Do you think in different music, take like bluegrass instruments where all the same instruments are played the same way in each song, there might be an exception?

In circumstances like this, where you have the same instrumentation, maybe recorded them the same and mixed them the same, you should let the ME know because you can usually move through the songs a little faster as there won't be big settings differences.

Why do they charge per song when if 2 or 3 songs sound good thru the mastering chain, all 12 will too? It's kind of like, get the few sounding good, and put the songs in order with the fades and let her go. I know there's a real time factor involved when recording to a master in which would take about 40 minutes for 12 songs (approximately), but after you set the gear where they need to be, it's all done after the real time recording on a master is done. Yet they charge sometimes for 6 songs and less, 12 songs and less, or sometimes per song.

Although its absolutely alien to me to do so, my studio manager has been suggesting this for some time, and its something I think we are going to start doing. Not because its the best way, or because it even makes sense, but quite simply, folks who just want a cheap, quick 'master' and do not quite comprehend the term, mainly want to operate in a kind of 'checkout' fashion - add 12 to basket, make album - it may not sit well with me, but if I offer it, I sell more studio hours, and if I don't, well....there isn't another option.

jmm22, post: 361470 wrote: how well does this work for you, and for your clients?

In every music creation step, communication is the key. For me, getting on the phone and speaking to one-another works well. just in the last hour I was talking to someone in Alberta, Canada and another in Georgia, US. We live in a global world.

The web is flooded with online in-out shops that you don't even know their name. Obviously good judgement and gut feeling is needed when making any business transaction on the web.

engineer971, post: 362580 wrote: Why do they charge per song when if 2 or 3 songs sound good thru the mastering chain, all 12 will too? It's kind of like, get the few sounding good, and put the songs in order with the fades and let her go. I know there's a real time factor involved when recording to a master in which would take about 40 minutes for 12 songs (approximately), but after you set the gear where they need to be, it's all done after the real time recording on a master is done. Yet they charge sometimes for 6 songs and less, 12 songs and less, or sometimes per song.

I don't do mastering, but only pre-mastering. My pricing is only related to the uploaded file size. All sequencing and fading remain on the client side.

engineer971, post: 362580 wrote: Why do they charge per song when if 2 or 3 songs sound good thru the mastering chain, all 12 will too?

By all what is right... I have not heard such an ignorant statement in a long time.
I even spare myself to explane why it is. Anybody who is on the job of mixing and mastering knows that it is not so...
It has not been in the earliest days and not in the lowest levels of the trade. If some need to find out why, think and listen....

As I see now, MM has clarified that and it was understood.
Peace?

geez...the whole point of mastering is to get the most professional and best sounding record you can...why skimp? when i was young and didnt know any better i let the recording studio that i recorded in do the mastering for a cd that i worked 6 months on. nowadays i cant even listen to it.think of like a new house- you put all the effort and attention to all the details from in every aspect of the construction and it is put together beautifully. then you skimp out at the end and hire a cheap sloppy painter to paint all the rooms. a record for you and your friends = isotope ozonea record that you want to be proud of = professional mastering

How much does it usually cost to have anywhere from 5-8 songs mastered?

People just need to do a bit of homework and look into who is who.

A rule of thumb is that if the site is faceless and has just an upload button and a paypal button and it's $15.00 a track apply common sense.

cheers

kb7, post: 365086 wrote: How much does it usually cost to have anywhere from 5-8 songs mastered?

There isn't any usual pricing. The range is from free to hundreds $ per song. All depends of the service you need. If your confident with your mix, you only need a basic service. If you require a stem mastering with a lot of interactivity, you won'd find any charge free service and prices will rise up.

Typically for professional mastering by a competent, whilst excluding the top tier engineers you will be looking
at $40.00 - $90.00 per track.

But rates will normally drop from those stated for 1 track for 5-8 tracks.

cheers