CDRWIN? dude...dont go that route!!! That software is more for cd duplicating and creating image files and not regular audio CD's...in fact I dont even reccomend it for data back up..you'll find that your burner wont be recognized by that software too!! It's a no win situation!! Wavelab is the shit..plain and simple...you know my arguments for it..no need to repeat them
Opus

I absolutely LOVE Wavelab also....yes, its da poop. And I sure do miss it now that I'm a MAC guy. Wavelab is Pee Cee only. So I have moved over to Spark, in order to burn from Spark I had to buy Toast for the Mac which is actually pretty cool. But Wavlab is sorely missed for sure. Not only for burning but for the AWESOME editing functions. It works great with Cubase too. Put it on your must have list, get it eventually. It is the ONE and only peice of software I ever heartily recommend with no reservations...no brainer. Until then I'm sure you can ge by with whatever bundled EZ CD software you probably already have.

simonsez
ohhh got a cool new Matrix screen saver...hehe

OK...you have convinced me...I just dropped a huge pile o'money on Wavelab about 3 months after buying Sound Forge 5.0...Grrrr.... :)

I ordered it online since I could save about $100US by ordering the competitive upgrade...should be here in about "2-business days"...sheesh! Then you know the Steinberg routine..."Send in the first page of your manual or the original CD, and we will send you the documentation...". Last time it took about 3 weeks...so I'm sure I'll be flooding you all with Wavelab questions now!!! Hehehe...that's what you get for persuading me to buy it! :D

DH

hehe....well.....congratulations,you wont regret getting Wavelab, I promise.The beauty part of Wavelab is you will probably NOT have a lot of questions. The manual is great and its so intuitive and well thought out that its a breeze to use, and figure out. Heck I rarely had to look at my manual and was able use it easily for anything I needed it to do. As a bonus the creator/programer of Wavelab Phillipe Gaultier is very active at cubase.net. He will help a lot. He's especially helpful sorting through miscelaneous CD writer issues.The best part of Wavelab is using it as an Editor in Cubase. Double click on a wave, up pops wavelab, edit save, back to cubase, BOOM, edited wave appears back in your Cubase arrangement. I wont use Cubase without an editor. IT ROCKS!!!

As long as you are so open to recommendations, I further recommend you get an API console.
hehe
thee
HAVE FUN!!!
thee

He's right ya know....Wavelab is pretty damn intuitive and you rarely need the manual..only time I needed it was learning the montage feature on CD markers the first time I tried to use it...after that...it collects dust in a box somewhere!!!
What API Console are you talking about Simon?
Opus

hmmmmmm
which one?....a big blue one with vrooming faders and compressors for the compressors on everything....lots of lights, buttons and other knobs that are hard to figger out but fun to play with.
Or any one of these......
http://www.apiaudio.com/apihomeSet2.html

hehe

Wavelab IS cool... but I still really like CD-A. I was bummed when they killed compatability with SF 5... so I've always kept 4.5 on the computer in addition to 5. I've had a few problems with getting CD-A to recognise my CD-RW (Acer 8432a) in Win XP. It took a while, but I WAS able to get it up and running and recognising my drive once in an earlier XP install using Win 98 compatability mode and the App. Compatability Toolkit, but for some reason it isn't working for me this time around.

SF added CD-A burning to Vegas Video 3. There's a public beta of that online on their website, and the release should be in the next week or two, but it is probably too late for you on that - I'm sure you'll be very happy with Wavelab - I'm just mentioning it for those who may not know about it and are looking to stay with the program they're used to.

Hey guys, does Wavelab 3 print out PQ sheets?

Wavelab arrived today, and I just d/l'ed the update to 3.04c from Steinberg...so here's hoping that everything goes smoothly.

Interesting note: I ordered the "competitive upgrade" package from Musician's Friend to save some money (since I already own Sound Forge 5.0). I did the same thing with Cubase since I already owned Cakewalk. Well, with Cubase, I had to mail in the first page of my Cakewalk manual before Steinberg would send me the "Getting Started" manual for Cubase (which really helped btw...). I expected a similar process with Wavelab...but..nothing. It looks and acts just like a full version with the documentation and everything. There is a big sticker on the outside of the box that says "Competitive Upgrade", but other than that...it doesn't look like they are making me proove ownership of the competitive product in order to buy the upgrade at a reduced price. Now there may be something as part of the installation, but I seriously doubt it...

So I guess the lesson here is...if you want Wavelab...buy the upgrade and save some money (I saved over $100US).

DH

OK...if anyone is still following this thread...I need some help w/ Wavelab:

I am trying to setup WL to run with my Echo Layla card:

In the preferences section (under "Audio Card") in WL I select the Layla Outputs I am using. Next I select the "Preferred Playback Resolution" as 24-bits.

This does not work, and gives me an error message that this resolution is not supported on my sound card. It does work fine when I select 16-bit however. I know this is a 24-bit card...

I posted this same question on the Steinberg Wavelab forum, and Phillipe (the moderator) replied as follows:

"I guess this is because the Layla driver uses the new driver model that is not compatible with the old Microsoft driver model. The next WaveLab version will provide a solution to that."

I trust Phillipe completely. I am just curious to hear back from some other Layla users...(Opus?), is everyone stuck listening to WL's output as 16-bit with the Layla??? This sucks since I plan on using this software for some mastering work, and I need the highest resolution I can get.

I am pretty disappointed to say the least...anyone with some suggestions? Please?

DH

Just to add some new info to my last post:

I received another reply from Phillipe re: WaveLab and Layla...

We have to wait until the version "4.0 release" to get the compatibility needed to monitor WL through the Layla at 24-bits (as opposed to a quicker "3.1 release")....Grrrrrr.....

And I just spent how much on my new mastering software?

DH

hey DH
lets file this one under
"ooops..who knew?"
Part of the fun of getting miscelaneous software and hardware to play nice. I'm no WINDOZE guru
......paging OPUS!!! but there has to be some workable solution. Maybe a seperate boot for audio with working drivers or something? I don't know of these things.
Are you saying you can't even open or work with 24 bit files? Is this only a " monitoring thing".
If so this may not be so bad.
Its been a year or so since I did any serious Wavelab stuff on Windoze but I seem to remember "working with 24 bit files even on my 20 bit LAYLA card. All the while knowing the files were 24 bit......soon to be dithered to 16 BTW.

Also don't be too discouraged when you get answers from Philippe like...
4
Philippe
its kind of his way.

I wish I could help more and I feel bad to have recomended sofware that you are unhappy with. But don't give up hope yet.
OPUS?

simonsez

Basically it's two things..One..Win98 and ME dont support 24 bit audio files..but I believe Munkee is on crack..err. I mean XP! :p
Two..Wavelab really doesnt work with ASIO drivers!It uses the DirectX from Windows to access it! The thing is also that Echo is one of the only companies to have a "true" directX driver so I'm a bit surprised that it cant handle 24 bit! I'm doing some testing and seeing what I can come up with...I'm so fricken busy these days it's not funny!!
By the way? How does one get their creativity back when all one does is tech and troubleshoot!!! lol
Opus

Do this...set the wave attribute to 24Alt in the record dialog in Wavelab...it seemed to go fine..my only problem is I cant play back 24bit files after recording them

Thanks guys for your help...I am not so concerned about recording in WaveLab as I am about playing back. When mastering, I want to be able to hear my stuff in the highest resolution possible (I record in 32-bit floating point w/ Cubase). 24-bit playback would be great. All the editing that I do within Wavelab won't "reduce" the higher resolution file to a lower resolution, there is no problem there, the files maintain their integrity, it is just the ability to hear what I am doing that I am concerned about!!!

Wavelab is cool, there is no doubt, I really *do* like the program...there are some cool things here that I like much better than Sound Forge, and I suppose some things that are in Sound Forge that I am used to, and will probably continue to use. Now that I have both, I guess I can choose which program to use for a given task, that will give me the best of both worlds, I guess. And I also suppose I could always open up the file in Sound Forge to hear it at 24-bits...but what a pain in the ass, plus that kind of defeats the "real time" effects feature...

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that I got WaveLab, I am just disappointed that I can't play back my music at the higher resolution...I'm fine, really...I just needed to vent! Your recommendations were well warented...I can see that I am going to fall in love with it once I start using it more. I absolutely *love* the analysis tools!

Also...Simonsez mentioned that I can set it up so that when I double-click on a track in Cubase, it will open up in WaveLab for editing...I haven't figured out how to do that yet...I'll keep poking around for a while, but if you've got the trick handy...pass it along...I'd appreciate it!!!

Peace!!!

DH

In Cubase(where I cant remeber) there is an option for external editor..it might be under the options menu but I know it's not!! I havent looked at Cubase in a looooonnnnnng time!! lol
I need to install Cubase for some testing anyways so I'll see if I can find it..unless Simon knows where it is?!!
Opus

Of course I don't have Cubase Loaded on a PC either.....on my Mac Its
Functions
Audio Functions
Launch External Wave editor.
I think the first time it'll ask you to find the
path or folder to the editor you want to use.
It might take a few tries to get it to work right. I only had to do it once, a couple of years ago, so I'm kinda guessing.
As a matter of fact, I havent figured out how to get Spark to open the selected file when I double click on it.......I mean Spark opens, but the file isn't there ready to be edited...........feckin puters. I know when I finally got Wavelab to work in Cubase it was ideal.
simonsez