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anonymous 7 January 2008

Right now I'm looking at SDC's like the oktava mod MK012's, the Peluso CEMC6, maybe a used set of Neumann KM184's, AKG c451, and Shure SM81's. I have no idea what to get. There's no way I'm going to be able to try all of them out so I was hoping someone in here could tell me which mics they've had good experiences with. I'm currently using Groove Tubes GT57's as OH's and any of these mics would be an improvement...

Thanks in advance

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Drewslum Wed, 01/09/2008 - 13:52

Crankitup wrote: looking for something more specific than just "sm 81's are awesome" however i am considering them

I'm in the situation you are in except I only want to spend about $800 or so. You probably won't find used KM184 pairs for 1000. I've also been told that new 451s are not the same mic as vintage 451s. For a while I was really conviced that I wanted real MK012s but too many people have said the quality is just too uneven. You could also look into the Rode NT5 or NT55. A lot of people use them.

In the end I'm either going to get a pair of SM81s (because they seem like the standard other than KM184s) or a pair of Chameleon Labs TS-1.

JPAllen Mon, 01/14/2008 - 08:42

Beyer MC930 pair could be just right for you.

I have a pair, but I haven't put them up over drums yet. However, I can say that the pattern, while advertised as cardiod, is really hypercardiod. The off-axis response is excellent, and they are detailed w/o being bright. The bottom is full and deep.

I can only imagine that they would do very well as overheads, especially for live work.

Cucco Sat, 01/26/2008 - 13:53

So much here...where to start??

Most of the mics you've listed are great for their purpose. However, your GTs are quite nice as well. I've owned and used GT mics for several years and have always found them to be far better than their price would indicate.

unisonic wrote:
josephson c42mp matched pair. Often used by Steve Albini.

While I agree that these are fantastic mics for overheads, I could care less who uses them. Unless Steve Albini himself will come record your drums for you and personally insure their success, this is absolutely useless. You see - Steve Albini could use Radio Shack mics and get a good sound because -
1 - He has a good room and a good set of drums
2 - He knows how to use whatever he's handed to use
3 - He knows how to tune a kit to get his desired sound
4 - He knows how to place the mics to get his desired sound.

But again - good advice on the mics - very nice.

johnthemiracle wrote:
km184. ok it's over 1k, but it's worth it. i wouldn't settle for less...

Yikes...
First, the 184s are about as strident of a pair of overheads as I could imagine. They're decent at some things (hand percussion and steel string guitar) but for overheads...a bit much. I wouldn't say "i wouldn't settle for less..." But hey - if you like them, that's all that matters. Personally, I've found that most people who own the 184s are those who need a SDC and decide that they MUST have a Neumann and don't give it any more consideration than that.

Drewslum wrote:
I'm in the situation you are in except I only want to spend about $800 or so. You probably won't find used KM184 pairs for 1000. I've also been told that new 451s are not the same mic as vintage 451s. For a while I was really conviced that I wanted real MK012s but too many people have said the quality is just too uneven. You could also look into the Rode NT5 or NT55. A lot of people use them.

I've seen 184s for under $1k a pair on Ebay. It's not at all uncommon.

The new 451s aren't the same as the old ones but the old ones can be found on Ebay for VERY little money and are very well worth it. Not to mention, the new 451s are great mics too. They're bright (not as much as the Neumanns) but the midrange isn't as smooth as in the Neumanns. Either would do fine - the 451s are cheaper though.

The MK012s can be excellent, but you'll want to buy them from someone who will match them for you. It's a little more, but well worth it.

The Rodes are friggin amazing especially given their price. They have a smooth midrange and a nice smooth top end.

I haven't tried the Chameleon Labs - can't comment.

Some others to consider -
AKG C460/480 or Blueline
AT 4041/4051

Cheers-
J.

TheFraz Sun, 01/27/2008 - 06:27

I am shocked the NT5s don't get much mention.
I have always been rather fond of them. They can be rather sensitive to where you place them, but if you take the time they can really preform well.
Last night, I used a pair of AT3035's ad that also work pretty well. We were going for a blink 182 drum sound, and they did their job. And the song being recorded has allot of cymbal with a very wide dynamic range.
I know both of theses are cheaper then a grand, but hey, no reason they should be over looked.

Davedog Sun, 01/27/2008 - 10:47

I'm kinda curious as to what the problem with the Groove Tubes 57 mics is?? They're certainly not the best, but an LDC with patterns and pads and an FET electronic footprint should be able to do a fine job as an overhead mic most anytime. Of course I also think a recordist should always have a pair or more of good SDC's
around. My favorite has always been the SM81's. Its a desert island mic to me. I've used them on just about anything making noise and they always perform up to task.

But I'm still curious about the GT57's. I've heard these mics and they're quality soundwise and build wise. So perhaps a look at the recording environment is in order or maybe a visit to the placements.....Just a thought.

Boswell Mon, 01/28/2008 - 02:59

Drewslum wrote: I'm in the situation you are in except I only want to spend about $800 or so. You probably won't find used KM184 pairs for 1000. I've also been told that new 451s are not the same mic as vintage 451s. For a while I was really conviced that I wanted real MK012s but too many people have said the quality is just too uneven. You could also look into the Rode NT5 or NT55. A lot of people use them.

I've been championing the Rode NT55s recently, as I've been using them with cardioid capsules fitted for drum overheads and also for choral work in A-B and Decca tree with omnis fitted. The omnis are outstanding for a mic in that price range. The cardioids are the same as those in the NT5, and are overall very good, with my only real reservation being uncertainty in the off-axis frequency response. The flexibility of having the two capsules with the switchable attenuator and HPF make up a package that IMHO has no equal at a street price of around £340 in the UK and $600 in the US. Search for NT55MP - not everyone stocks the matched pair.

anonymous Fri, 02/01/2008 - 15:13

I've been very happy with the NT5's... there's a good review of them here:

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/rode/Reviews/NT4&5/NT4&5p2.htm

Also, since they haven't been mentioned yet... I also know people who swear by the earthworks small diaphragm condensers. I've used them briefly and was pleased with them, but haven't had a chance to use them enough to speak with authority on them. There's some specs and such on the mfr's site here:

http://www.earthworksaudio.com/33.html

A friend of a friend knows some folks at the company, sounds like a bunch of microphone freaks who take alot of pride in their creations.

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