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anonymous 10 December 2005

Hi Guys,

I'm upgrading from BM6A and I'm having a hard time deciding. I'm actually going nuts making a decision on one of the following for mixing folk, jazz and all acoustic instruments:

JBL 6328P
Dynaudio BM-15P with AMP (which one though?)
Event ASP8
Truth Audio TA-1P, I can get a pair easily (again, which amp?)

Being I'm coming from the BM6A I figured it may be best to stay with the dyn family though I do like the TA-1P too. My biggest concerns is bass and listening volumes. The 6A just don't put out enough bass, I don't like subs. I also do all acoustic music and would like to get an even and true response at any volume.

Can anyone direct me as to which monitor may work best in my 14x19 real trap treated room?
Are we talking night and day differences on the above monitors?

Thanks!

Comments

Cucco Sun, 12/11/2005 - 18:08

mixerman777 wrote: Hey, THANKS! I overlooked that and just read it, great help! Looks like the BM15P is for me and possibly the Hafler P3000 though I think I may like the 4000 a bit more if I can find one.

Believe me - the 3000 is more than enough to make these things loud as you can tolerate. If you require more power - I would suggest 2 P3000s configured in mono (bridged). That would play loud enough to loosen hair from their folicles.

J.

Reggie Sun, 12/11/2005 - 20:09

mixerman777 wrote: Well Reg, That's my personal opinion of them for my style and large room. They may just work fine for you -and if not- there always is a return policy and you can go for the 15's or keep them and add a sub if you like subs. Good Luck!

Yeah, maybe I will dig them just fine in my smallish room. I don't normally crank the monitors too loud due to this anyway. Much more bass than a monitor such as this can give me might cause more damage than good. And someday -in a different room- I might just put the subwoofer with them for fun. 2 more days of waiting..... :x

Cucco Sun, 12/11/2005 - 20:53

Reggie wrote: [quote=mixerman777]Well Reg, That's my personal opinion of them for my style and large room. They may just work fine for you -and if not- there always is a return policy and you can go for the 15's or keep them and add a sub if you like subs. Good Luck!

Yeah, maybe I will dig them just fine in my smallish room. I don't normally crank the monitors too loud due to this anyway. Much more bass than a monitor such as this can give me might cause more damage than good. And someday -in a different room- I might just put the subwoofer with them for fun. 2 more days of waiting..... :x

In truth - I've heard the BM6A's and absolutely love them. For anything but the largest of rooms, you'll have bass to spare! The ONLY reason I opted for the BM15s over them was that they do have a little more low end and are designed more as mid-field monitors than the BM6's. Since I use them for mastering projects as well, nearfields are a definite no go.

You probably will not need a sub with the 6s. Especially if you tweak the placement a bit.

J.

anonymous Mon, 12/12/2005 - 07:31

On the amp note, I think the H3000 will do fine but if I'm feeling generous and want a step up quality wise where you you suggest I go amp wise?

Reggie, The 6A is an amazing monitor and worked like magic in my original much smaller room. Anything larger would have knocked me out of my chair. When I rebuilt my room which came in at 3x the size, the 6A just didn't do it any longer. I'm sure you will be fine.

anonymous Wed, 12/14/2005 - 18:56

I'm not sure about future modifications of the monitors or the operations of the company. I had the active bm15s in once and they were voiced remarkably similar to the event 20/20bas's I once had. The dynaudio definitely weren't as murky (I'm very glad to be rid of the 20/20's- too bright and too muddy, boomy- more like stereo speakers) but I think they're just too large for this control room to get placed right. You need a pretty big room to handle 10" midfields (soffit mounting would help in a smaller room). My control room is oddly shaped (on purpose) and is about 16x22 (not rectangular, though). I remember liking the BM6's I have heard. I liked the Event ASP8's I heard as well but haven't heard them in the best environment yet so that could change ;-) The Truth Audios really show you where you're problems are in a mix and are just simply great in their low price range ($700-$1300- less used). Just my opinion, of course ;-)

McKay

anonymous Thu, 12/15/2005 - 07:54

bounce wrote: =I had the active bm15s in once and they were voiced remarkably similar to the event 20/20bas's I once had. The dynaudio definitely weren't as murky (I'm very glad to be rid of the 20/20's- too bright and too muddy, boomy- more like stereo speakers) but I think they're just too large for this control room to get placed right. You need a pretty big room to handle 10" midfields (soffit mounting would help in a smaller room). My control room is oddly shaped (on purpose) and is about 16x22 (not rectangular, though).=

McKay

I never heard of anyone comparing the BM15A to the 20/20. I've owned the 20/20 and never liked them at all as well as the Mackie 824, Event V-8. I can't imagine placing these 2 speakers (20/20 & BM15) on he same page.

16x22 seems like a big enough room to me for the BM15's. I guess it's true that getting the speakers inside the room and hearing for oneself would make a world of difference.

BM15 is getting the winning votes so far.

anonymous Thu, 12/15/2005 - 10:17

"I never heard of anyone comparing the BM15A to the 20/20"

I know. It sounds kinda silly but when I say "voiced similar," I mean the way you listen to 2 sets of monitors and the midrange is present in one and the other seems more top and bottom heavy. I must say it was wierd for the owner of the BM15's as well (he paid near $3000 for the Dynes-active)! The Dynes were definitely not as murky overall but the crossover point seemed very similar and the drivers had a similar response, not identical, but the similarities were obvious versus when you play a set of BM15's or 824's and a set of KRK V8's. The V8's have a totally different midrange. That's what I mean by voicing. It was interesting. The BM6a's sounded good to me. The BM15's didn't sound bad at all, I just worry that they may be too similar to my hated 20/20bas's. The truth's sound absolutely nothing like the 20/20's. TOTALLY different speaker. Check reviews and threads on gearslutz.com as well ;-)

Cheers!

McKay

anonymous Sat, 12/17/2005 - 08:20

"I never heard of anyone comparing the BM15A to the 20/20"

I have ,.....plenty..

bounce sed: "The BM15's didn't sound bad at all, I just worry that they may be too similar to my hated 20/20bas's."

Worry not. I have owned & mixed on the BM15a;s for years and also have dabbled with the 20/20's.. The 15a's are different and allow much better translation out of the box, particularly with bottom end. IMPORTANT! this is my opinion. I;ve heard excellent mixes from the 2020's. It's my pref to use Dynes..take from that what you will. they are far from 'the' be all and end all' but at the same time, they are my personal be all and end all for mon.s Even though I've mixed on systems costing twice as much. They are magical to me. I would sell my car to get them replaced if necesary, so crucial to my methods they are. (if I didn't hate cars, and if I actually I owned car and didn't ride my mountain bike everywhere).

anonymous Sat, 12/17/2005 - 10:27

It's funny because for years my clients said they were really happy with my mixes done on the 20/20's (and Lord knows there's a bunch of audio out there in the world on radio or tv with those mixes! aauugh!) but as soon as I got my Truth Ta-1p's and did some remixes, it was instantly bettter all around. I just feel the accuracy is WAY better. I loved the sound of the 20/20's and that was the problem. They were just too flattering in areas that they shouldn't have been. I have no problem recommending the BM6a's to anyone ;-)

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