16 track X 5 hours is gonna take one bigass drive...

CUBASE is excellent regarding stability. I had an LE edition that came with interface, purchased SE-3 real cheap and I'm pleased.
Outputs .WAV file which NUENDO will import.

16 track X 5 hours is gonna take one bigass drive...

CUBASE is excellent regarding stability. I had an LE edition that came with interface, purchased SE-3 real cheap and I'm pleased.
Outputs .WAV file which NUENDO will import.

Not sure about the ASIO drivers, but the latest version of Cakewalk seems insanely cheap at $49. I was just looking at it, coincidently . (They just merged with Roland, FWIW).

It seems to do MIDI as well as Digital Audio multitrack, and I can't imagine that it would NOT support ASIO. Worth a look-see, at that price, for sure....

Cubase would be greate, If i can get it at the right price. That would be VERY compatible with Nuendo.

And cakewalk for $49 is next to free... Interesting.

Tracktion 3 Project Bundle. About $150. No limitations other than what is determined by the power of your machine. Supports ASIO and the latest VST. Midi editing. Only one issue: it doesn't export to OMF.

I can handle no OMF, even thow i WOULD like to see that. But on these projects the setup is thought of recording there is, as said, no edition so every track would be a continous audio stream.

Something you need to consider is that there are file size limitations imposed by certain operation sytems and drive formats. I know with Windows and a FAT32 drive, you're limited to 4 Gig file. How big is a 5 hour long file???? NTSF may have limits as well. I'm not a Mac guy, so don't know what or if the limitations might be.

1minute of 44.1x16bit mono = aplrox 5mb.
60 minutes equals: 302MB
5 hours equals: 1.514MB

32bit system can handle 2048MB big files. So im safe :D

Hans, I just re-read your original post....FIVE HOURS?!?!?!

I'm almost afraid to ask what you're recording that will last that long.... it's not a peformance of John Cage's "As Slow as Possble", is it??? :twisted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2728595.stm

Mainly bandevents/Live. But also conferences, lectures, standup. Whatever needs documentation.

No more Cage PLEASE!

I have to admit I love this quote:

"The performance follows a legal case in which composer Mike Batt was forced to pay a six-figure sum to Cage's publishers, who accused him of plagiarising a silent piece of music. "

Anyone who has ever recorded 5 minutes of silence is guilty of plagiarising 4:33?

How can you say it sounds the same when you cant hear anything?

That's a very good point, although I think they sued them for the "Concept" more than the content.

Still, a savvy lawyer should have been able to get them off, based on a few intangibles.

What if they claimed a different key, instrumentation, or time signature as well? :twisted:

HansAm wrote: 1minute of 44.1x16bit mono = aplrox 5mb.
60 minutes equals: 302MB
5 hours equals: 1.514MB

32bit system can handle 2048MB big files. So im safe :D

Got'yer math a bit wrong, there, I'm afeared.

5MBx60min=~300MB
300MBx5 hours=~1500MB=~1.5GB, per track

1.5GBx16tracks=~24GB total size.

Just to clear that up :wink:

Kapt.Krunch

do yourself a favor and research torrents.

Kapt.Krunch wrote: [quote=HansAm]1minute of 44.1x16bit mono = aplrox 5mb.
60 minutes equals: 302MB
5 hours equals: 1.514MB

32bit system can handle 2048MB big files. So im safe :D

Got'yer math a bit wrong, there, I'm afeared.

5MBx60min=~300MB
300MBx5 hours=~1500MB=~1.5GB, per track

1.5GBx16tracks=~24GB total size.

Just to clear that up :wink:

Kapt.Krunch

Thats exactly what i said.... ???
Nothin to clear up.

StereoBoxJosh wrote: do yourself a favor and research torrents.

?? have you ever tried to make hire equipment with piracy software?.. Thats NOT a good idea.

People does not like to pay for equipment that is "stolen".

hueseph wrote: Tracktion 3

+1

I regularly use Tracktion to record long files (eg: 6 or 7 hour club nights) with no problems so far. I have been recording mono 24/44.1 files so I stay comfortably below the size limit for wav files... but if I needed to go longer Tracktion supports the Sonic Foundry Wav64 format (W64) which is basically a wav file with 64 bit headers instead of 32 bit, so vastly expanding the length of recording available.

hueseph wrote: Only one issue: it doesn't export to OMF.

No. But it records BWAV files by default, so if you don't edit in Tracktion you can simply import the files into another app. And if you do edit in Tracktion you can export the edit as separate audio files for each track; no need to trawl through and render each track manually.

StereoBoxJosh wrote: do yourself a favor and research torrents.

do us all a favour and shoot yourself.

HansAm wrote: [quote=Kapt.Krunch][quote=HansAm]1minute of 44.1x16bit mono = aplrox 5mb.
60 minutes equals: 302MB
5 hours equals: 1.514MB

32bit system can handle 2048MB big files. So im safe :D(2048MB=2GB)

Got'yer math a bit wrong, there, I'm afeared.

5MBx60min=~300MB
300MBx5 hours=~1500MB=~1.5GB, per track

1.5GBx16tracks=~24GB total size.

Just to clear that up :wink:

Kapt.Krunch

Thats exactly what i said.... ???
Nothin to clear up.

Mmmm...not exactly...but not worth an argument. Check the red and green. Differences between MB and GB. May be you MEANT to write it? :wink: 16 tracks of continuous 16/44.1 at 5 hours should be about a 24GB file. If, as you say, the 32-bit system can handle only 2048 MB (~2GB) files, then you may want to check into that. You'd be about 22GB short.

I'm not quite sure it's that way, though. Consider 5MB x 16 tracks=80MB/minute. 2048(2GB)/80=25.6 total minutes of recording 16/44.1 @ 16 mono tracks. And, keep in mind that people record more tracks...32, 48. And, at higher resolutions. They get more than 5 or 10 minutes of time, I presume. But, correct me if I'm wrong.

You will need a fairly robust system to handle a continuous large recording like that. Also, there must be some breaks in there where you can save, say 20 minutes, and start a new file. Should be quick enough if you build a template off the first settings. I mean, I wouldn't want to be the guy who sifts through 5 hours of one recording trying to break them all down into separate files.

I've never tried to record 16 continuous tracks for a very long period, so I can't honestly say I know how it will react. I'm guessing you can do it, but it's probably going to be risky on a bunch of fronts.

Just throwing stuff out for debate. :shock:

Kapt.Krunch

I've found that there's ALWAYS time for a little break here or there in a live performance or show or conference, at least every hour or so; usually enough time to hit "Stop" and "SAVE AS", and then start on a new wav file/track.

I use Sequoia and have punished it with some of the craziest track sizes & lengths, but even Wagnerian Opera's have intermissions. (Run a CDr with a raw stereo mix going down, if you're afraid of missing something during the track resetting process....)

You'll give your HD a little breathing room as well, if you break it up after an hour or so of tracking. Running 16 tracks - even over a couple of hours - will yield much to sort out afterwards, but it's a lot less potential for trouble if you have approx 16 x 1 track per hour (or thereabouts) going on, instead of 16 tracks that last several hours apiece. Unless I've read your requirements incorrectly, I think you're just asking for trouble at that point, and I don't see the need for it, based on what you say you're looking to record.

StereoBoxJosh wrote: do yourself a favor and research torrents.

This is a pro audio site, not a crack house StereoBoxJosh,

zero tolerance for members promoting anything to do with plagiarism. a torrent is the same thing as robbing the guy that made it, that is what you are saying.

bon voyage.