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Getter' done :!: :!: :!:

funny you say that 6.7 works beautifully for me. Never had a problem once. Are you using a less powerful pc? I run an Imac with a gig of ram and I only get that error when I'm running over 20 tracks at 24/96 which honestly with a non HD set up is not really that good of an idea. Is it ok to bitch about how cubase constantly screwing up my songs switching sample rates by itself, the drivers would constantly switch and mess up, couldn't ever upload a song into it without it sounding like it was recorded in the 30's. GOD I HATE STEINBERG WHY CAN'T THEY MAKE SOFTWARE THAT WORKS UGHHHH! Point is this happens with every software.

ugghhh.... bitchin' about steinberg, count me in! :lol:
yeah point made, every software has sometimes a life on it's own, but some just program utterly unreliable, bad sounding crap with ugly GUI's like S...

mmhhh... bitchin' about S...

Sonar 4 works perfectly for me!

Dont' even get me started in on the Sonar Cakewalf family I couldn't even get that crap to work on my pc.

ugghhh... yeah.

pro-toools

The computer is pretty decent (considering its a pc with protools which is seeming like it was a stupid idea in the first place)

Its a P4 3.4, 2g ram. I think the problem is something to do with firewire drivers/cards something like that. Im not really looking for a solution, i just wanted to let off some steam!

I used to use nuendo, which seemed to work stellar on every interface I ever had, including 002.

ahhhwell.

i was about to say thats allmost the same setup i have and cubase is running great with my old delta1010 pci interface. the project im working on right now has been a 2 year project same songs going from 3 difrant PCs and before that an 8track SVHS deck. the thing that always got me was the lyrics on a song that was first recorded by me on a yamaha md8, the words go like this;

"its not workin, but youll try and do it agien..."

that was agravating.

i hate edititing all i did was change the lyrics to the right ones, please pardon my dyslexia.

So before you get all bent outta shape make sure its not something else screwing up. You should always check compatability even when upgrading just to make sure everything's gonna work ok. I've heard people did have problems with 6.7 but that it was quickly fixed with 6.9 so maybe you should try to upgrade again. It just baffles me when people get so pissed at digidesign when what I use works great everytime. Also don't upgrade unless you have to(which you may in this case). I know guys still using 5.x and their stuff sounds great.

digidesign; scamming bastards?

I think I single out digidesign because their ignorant.

for instance, pro-tools LE doesnt have any delay compensation, if your doing some serious mixing this doesn't really cut it. Any newer version of Nuendo or Cubase, or problably any other software has this, even on auxes. And whats with beat detective LE? two tracks? You know they just cut it out of the software to make us mad. their should be an option at least to by beat detective full for LE. And as CPUs get more powerful these are their ways to make us still want to give them $10,000 dollars.

MS is involved with Digidesign.. So what do you expect? GIMME YOUR MONEY!.

ShoeBoxDude wrote: So for the second day in a row, this error message-6088 comes up in the middle of recording! Making me look like a complete ass with anyone I record. Of course this only happened once I updated to 6.7, and the only known fix is to buy some other firewire card that is recommended although other users say it did not help all that much.

I HATE YOU DIGIDESIGN! LEARN HOW TO MAKE SOFTWARE WORK.

ughhhh!

back to pissing off the vocalist.

You're using LE. Did you buy a Digi tested system? Doesn't sound like it. It isn't their fault. They can't design for every possible combination of hardware and drivers. Nobody can.

Re: digidesign; scamming bastards?

ShoeBoxDude wrote: I think I single out digidesign because their ignorant.

for instance, pro-tools LE doesnt have any delay compensation, if your doing some serious mixing this doesn't really cut it. Any newer version of Nuendo or Cubase, or problably any other software has this, even on auxes. And whats with beat detective LE? two tracks? You know they just cut it out of the software to make us mad. their should be an option at least to by beat detective full for LE. And as CPUs get more powerful these are their ways to make us still want to give them $10,000 dollars.

Delay compensation in an LE system is kind of moot isn't it? There is no such thing as totally accurate delay compensation in any DAW. I will get falmed here, but I have talked to software guru's at Nuendo, Digi and SAW. Delay compensation is averaged and relative.

You also have to remember that LE systems are marketed to the home recordist, not the pro market. The pro version has delay compensation.

You do not understand Digi or TDM, otherwise you wouldn't make such an uneducated statement. The LE system cannot do what a TDM system can do. It cannot process in real time with next to no latency. One is floating one is fixed, and the list goes on.

If you don't like what it does, don't buy it.

HansAm wrote: MS is involved with Digidesign.. So what do you expect? GIMME YOUR MONEY!.

MS is not involved with Digi.

ummm

Uh-oh, a proud digi salesperson.

Look, i know the difference between tdm and le systems.

Im just saying, even though le is aimed towards musicans and enthusiasts, I think they should include a few more features from TDM sofware. Hardware limitations are fair, im not asking for things out of a digi002 that arent possible. Im not asking my digi to perform like a 192. But software wise, why cut a few good lines of code for us LE people.

Im not to sure about your average delay compensation statement. I can pull up a session in nuendo 2, with the same audio region on every track, go crazy with plugins, even uad plugs, and open up auxes untill my hearts content. there will still not be any phasing or different delays on channels and what not. Perhaps tdm works differently.

sheet wrote: [quote=HansAm]MS is involved with Digidesign.. So what do you expect? GIMME YOUR MONEY!.

MS is not involved with Digi.

Correct Brent MS has no involvement with Digi. Actually Digi has always made sure they have complete compatability with Apple but PC's seem to be an afterthought. The opposite seems to be true with Steinberg.

HansAM, it's obvious you hate MS and that's okay, you're entitled to that but please don't make stuff up.

BTW, don't upgrade if you don't need to especially if you make your living with your DAW. Let someone else be the Guinea Pig. Stability is the key here and new versions usually have bugs.

Re: ummm

ShoeBoxDude wrote: Uh-oh, a proud digi salesperson.

Look, i know the difference between tdm and le systems.

Im just saying, even though le is aimed towards musicans and enthusiasts, I think they should include a few more features from TDM sofware. Hardware limitations are fair, im not asking for things out of a digi002 that arent possible. Im not asking my digi to perform like a 192. But software wise, why cut a few good lines of code for us LE people.

Im not to sure about your average delay compensation statement. I can pull up a session in nuendo 2, with the same audio region on every track, go crazy with plugins, even uad plugs, and open up auxes untill my hearts content. there will still not be any phasing or different delays on channels and what not. Perhaps tdm works differently.

Your delay compensation is not correct for every plug. The DAW companies do not have a built in detector for delay. They are relying on the plug in manufacturers numbers. Those numbers are averaged. Plug in latency is not constant, when functions change. Talk to the plug in designers like Waves. They will tell you.

Big_D wrote: [quote=sheet][quote=HansAm]MS is involved with Digidesign.. So what do you expect? GIMME YOUR MONEY!.

MS is not involved with Digi.

Correct Brent MS has no involvement with Digi. Actually Digi has always made sure they have complete compatability with Apple but PC's seem to be an afterthought. The opposite seems to be true with Steinberg.

HansAM, it's obvious you hate MS and that's okay, you're entitled to that but please don't make stuff up.

BTW, don't upgrade if you don't need to especially if you make your living with your DAW. Let someone else be the Guinea Pig. Stability is the key here and new versions usually have bugs.

Huh? Strange. I studying at "norwegian sound school" and i heard someone say that MS had bought a big amount of DigiDesign. And that they are shifting priorities to the PC section and making m-audio Pro-tools sertified...??? Is this all bullcrap then?

Big_D wrote: [quote=sheet][quote=HansAm]MS is involved with Digidesign.. So what do you expect? GIMME YOUR MONEY!.

MS is not involved with Digi.

Correct Brent MS has no involvement with Digi. Actually Digi has always made sure they have complete compatability with Apple but PC's seem to be an afterthought. The opposite seems to be true with Steinberg.

HansAM, it's obvious you hate MS and that's okay, you're entitled to that but please don't make stuff up.

BTW, don't upgrade if you don't need to especially if you make your living with your DAW. Let someone else be the Guinea Pig. Stability is the key here and new versions usually have bugs.

This is changing. But of course, there are far more registered Mac uses than PC. So hence the emphasis on Mac. In the beginning, Mac was a better machine to use. Now, the differences are narrowing.

Now that the plug in companies are releasing the same plug ins for both platforms, with the same function and automation options, things are better.

I have friends on the inside of Digi. I think they will continue to get chummy with windows, as we have seen with the Venue, which uses Windows for its OS. It wouldn't surprise me if people get hacked at Apple, with all of these hardware and OS upgrades that make us spend more money on Digi and plug in software everytime they want. I wouldn't be surprised to see a move to a proprietary PT CPU/Server and OS in the future. Maybe we can but the crap and work on improving the sonic performance for once.

Maybe im remembering this the wrong way around? is it Digidesign investing in M-Audio?

Its funny how many people blast digi for being such a horrible company. I've called them several times in the past, mostly to verify compatible hardware. Everytime I called I talked to someone within a minute of two. Everytime they put my mind at ease. ShoeBox are you saying that you can't do any serious mixing in pro tools? I have no problems getting great mixes and never have any issues. All my software and hardware work beautifully, Cubase and Cakewalk however were ridiculous to try to get to work, I'm probably the reason the software didn't work, but it didn't work nonetheless. Keep bitching about pro tools, you may change a couple of noobs minds about it, but I'm sure Digi isn't hurtin and for me pro tools le is a great stepping stone to the tdm version which I'll be on within a year.

It was a simple vent,

Ive seen tdm rigs crash, ive seen mac os crash, ive seen nuendo crash, ive seen windows crash.

I didnt really mean to start an argument with anyone.

Computers are frustrating sometimes.

I also hope to have an HD rig soon. :D

I will admit that I do have lots of trouble mixing with-in pro-tools. especially because of the delay issue. If you want to try something like parallell compression, or you like using lots of auxes to mix with and use plugins that have signifigant delay, everything starts to fall apart.

Also, you may not believe me on this, which is fine. Just to see what was up, I brought in a simple mix of a few drum tracks, bass, guitar whatever. Made a mix up in pro-tools that was fairly simple, a few waves plugins and what not. Repeated the same mix in nuendo, and was maticulous that every setting and level was the same.

The whole band could pick out the nuendo mix sounding better everytime.

Dont get me wrong about pro-tools, I bought cause i like it a lot, and theres things in there you just cant get out of other programs. I would never go back, even if i could. I just think digidesign as a company is just a little sly.

It was a vent, just a vent!

ShoeBoxDude wrote: It was a simple vent,

Ive seen tdm rigs crash, ive seen mac os crash, ive seen nuendo crash, ive seen windows crash.

I didnt really mean to start an argument with anyone.

Computers are frustrating sometimes.

I also hope to have an HD rig soon. :D

I will admit that I do have lots of trouble mixing with-in pro-tools. especially because of the delay issue. If you want to try something like parallell compression, or you like using lots of auxes to mix with and use plugins that have signifigant delay, everything starts to fall apart.

Also, you may not believe me on this, which is fine. Just to see what was up, I brought in a simple mix of a few drum tracks, bass, guitar whatever. Made a mix up in pro-tools that was fairly simple, a few waves plugins and what not. Repeated the same mix in nuendo, and was maticulous that every setting and level was the same.

The whole band could pick out the nuendo mix sounding better everytime.

Dont get me wrong about pro-tools, I bought cause i like it a lot, and theres things in there you just cant get out of other programs. I would never go back, even if i could. I just think digidesign as a company is just a little sly.

It was a vent, just a vent!

Ok, you DO know that YOU can nudge tracks and type in the amount of delay that you want for each track, right? This should be a non issue.

BTW, the only way to do your "test" correctly, would have been to use one set of converters, record the drums, and then import that into both Nuendo and Pro Tools simultaneously, while they are clocked to the same clock, and then do it blind, using the same DA stages.

I hear this type of thing all of the time. All that it shows is that you know how to use one better than the other.

There are more Digi systems in the world than all others combined and multiplied twice. Look at the DUC on Digi's site. Of all the system's out there, there is less than 1% who actually complain on the DUC. There are endless numbers of correctly equiped and maintained systems in use that have little to no problems...ever. Digi at any given time has atleast 5 various Mac and 5 various PC systems in their service department, trying to recreate customer issues. They didn't get to be number one by screwing people. They didn't get to be the de facto standard by being devious. They don't have a comp program for the big named engineers like Nuendo does. Users have to buy it. That says alot.

Ok, you DO know that YOU can nudge tracks and type in the amount of delay that you want for each track, right? This should be a non issue.

So as im mixing, im going to continue to add small amounts of delay to each track to compensate myself... and then what happens when auxes start creeping into the mix for some parallel compression, how im gunna nudge those sheet?

BTW, the only way to do your "test" correctly, would have been to use one set of converters, record the drums, and then import that into both Nuendo and Pro Tools simultaneously, while they are clocked to the same clock, and then do it blind, using the same DA stages.

Dont assume
Pay attention,

It was a set of audio files from a session a long time ago recorded in pro-tools on a 002, I imported these files into a nuendo session, and a pro-tools session. Using the EXACT same levels, EXACT same plugins, and the EXACT same plugin settings. I then exported a wave file from each mix. And listened to them outside of either programs. My ability in either program doesnt matter, and the a/d and d/a was the same on record and while comparing.

They didn't get to be number one by screwing people. They didn't get to be the de facto standard by being devious

Fair enough, they also didn't become the defacto standard for their great customer service. And it certainly didnt become the standard cause people love the way it sounds.

Huh? Strange. I studying at "norwegian sound school" and i heard someone say that MS had bought a big amount of DigiDesign. And that they are shifting priorities to the PC section and making m-audio Pro-tools sertified...??? Is this all bullcrap then?

In a word YES! Microsoft has no stake in Digi, although I'm sure Digi would love to get themselves on the MS developers list. It may happen some time but for now no dice. MS is too concerned with it's fight to stave of Linux (funding the SCO legal battle among others), developing Longhorn, continued development of XP64 and the never ending job of updates and patches to be concerned with a few Apples running PT. This may change in the future as MS attempts to gain a bigger share of the entertainment market but I'm guessing it will be Avid not PT that pushes them over the edge.

If PT wants to be on every PC then they will have to conform MS not the other way around.

Wow, what a rumor about MS.

Sony owns Acid Pro.

Avid (non-linear editing company) owns Digidesign and M-Audio.

Apple (who makes Avid competing Final Cut Pro) owns Logic (which used to be Mac/PC, now is Mac only, and is developing into a Digi Pro Tools competitor).

So you have the now a third party application developer that used to be welcomed by Apple, now a direct competitor with Apple.

Check out this forum

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yea MS has no official stock in digi. m-audio was swallowed up by digi, and although they claimed at first that they had no intrest in merging techknolagies they have with the release of mPowerd protools. being a maudio delta 1010 user working in PC in cubace sx, i do kind of worry about the future in terms of support and drivers.

002 Outputs don't sound right

I run--on separate systems--the 001 (system 9) and 002 (system X). When I made a side by side comparison through my monitors the 001 has a bigger spread vs the 002. Is this a hardware or software or Digi issue???

Hold the fuck up there ShoeBox, first you start a thread saying lets vent about pro tools together. Thats like holding up a sign saying hey digi users i wanna argue with you, however you state you didn't want an argument. Then what the hell did you want? Don't come on here bitching about something and not expect anyone to fire back. Now whats this shit about hoping to upgrade to an hd system soon. You're going to start a thread bashing pro tools but you're going to buy an HD system. Stick to your guns buddy.

Lets vent about jonnyc together..

Hold up jonny! now im holding up a sign that says Please Die Today!

I dunno if its past your bedtime little one.. but get a life, and stop going around looking to talk shit on msg boards.

Stick to your guns :wink:

I take my old Pro Tools CD's (5.0 on up) and launch them out of my clay pigeon thrower for skeet practice... along with those, "free hours of AOL" CD's that seem to number in the billions.

If that is worth anything to this thread...

Yes, Pro Tools is the ultimate "ulcer-ware". But what can you do when every studio asks, "Can you send us a Pro Tools session file?"

Of course, every problem I've had with Digidesign I've been able to work out or around. I have the gray hairs to prove it!

Bring back Sound Droid! Sound Droid 2006 Longhorn Panther Edition 64 bit! Let's quit screwing around!

Is that the best you can do lol. If you're going to try to get under my skin it'll take a little more than calling me a little boy and telling me its past my bedtime. I was just saying its pretty retarded to start a thread like this and then ultimately say you'll never switch from pro tools because you like it too much and that you're getting an hd rig. I understand man its cool to start a thread and have a bunch of people comment on it, and I understand thats what you were going for when you started this. But its really kind of immature to start a thread like this when all you're doing is "preaching to the choir" and looking for a response and come on man you know you're going to strike a chord with someone when you start a thread like this. I'll be a pro tools defender til I die. I didn't start on pro tools in fact my recording career got goin way way before I ever had ptle. So you can stop with the queer personal attacks but if you wanna argue about sequencers I can do that all day.

This is a prime example of what's terribly wrong with the recording industry today.

slicerecords wrote: This is a prime example of what's terribly wrong with the recording industry today.

This has more to do with what is wrong with people and less to do with the industry.

Are you saying people like me are whats wrong with the industry? I'm sorry if you guys find what I said offensive in any way I just have strong feelings towards certain things and starting a thread to argue then saying you won't change from what it is you're complaining about just isn't vary smart. If your software is a huge problem for you then switch, thats all I should've said.

I didn't find anything you said offensive, hell I'm more offended by the 5:00 news.

I should have been more clear in my statement.

What's wrong with this industry is people put too heavy a focus on their DAW software and not on music.

What's more important-----expending energy complaining about DAW software or expending energy understanding how to capture music to the best of your ability with the DAW?

I don't think these complaining message boards should even exist.

If you have a problem with your software this should be a place to learn how to fix it not to complain about it. Every problem has a solution, why spend time on the problem when you can spend time on the solution.

When I signed up for this msg board I promised myself I wouldn't end up in one of these month-old-post arguments over nothing. The ones I used to read and go 'these guys are really tools' They are stupid.

If it makes you sleep better at nite you win jonnyc. At this point I really couldn't care less.

I wasn't trying to win, I'm sorry for coming off so rude and I understand your frustration with digi, you certainly aren't the only one. But threads like this are magnets for arguing thats just how they are, I honestly thought you were looking for an argument and I apologize for approaching this as an argumentative thread. Lets just agree to end this useless back and forth crap and get on with learning and helping people learn.

Amen. 8)