I can't help but chuckle over this. :rolleyes: I mean, why would anyone invest in Pro Tools let alone a really expensive system that is all in one. Live and learn. You are only as good as the weakest link and that would be Pro tools, the converters, the OS, the software, the ridiculous screen and a really weak way to monitor/ The list goes on.
And 10 years ago Windows was the poor mans platform and now its Windows based for the obvious reason. How could it ever be Mac when you need other parts to make this "The finest recording system in the world" lol. At least iZ has that right.

Any DAW with a superior monitoring system would blow this away.

audiokid, post: 423698, member: 1 wrote: "RADAR studio is a turnkey solution that makes recording as easy as turning on the power and hitting the record button. The best hardware and your favorite software now seamlessly work together in one box to deliver the highest sound quality. Easy."

Radar is partly to credit where I got the two DAW approach years back. imho, this however, is completely dated system being re packaged for the pissed of Pro Toolers who haven't figured out there are other DAW's that actually work.

the way i read it, it comes with PT but you can uses what ever DAW software you choose. interesting that they included MixBus. i actually think it's cool.

Kurt Foster, post: 423700, member: 7836 wrote: i actually think it's cool.

MixBus or Radar Studio?

the Radar Studio. i like the inclusion of MixBus too. but i think this is an open platform ... i believe you can run any software you want. even Sonar if you like .... lol.

one thing i dislike about DAW is the whole configuration deal. what converters, which sound cards, which video card, memory, etc and then the mind numbing constantly repeating update scenario .... Radar eliminates all that.

one thing i think is killing the audio biz is the need to be a computer scientist in order to feed and keep a DAW. being a computer nerd is not conducive to being a musician. after all, music is what we are doing here isn't it? something like this is a great solution imo.

Kurt Foster, post: 423702, member: 7836 wrote: but i think this is an open platform ... i believe you can run any software you want. even [[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.cakewalk…"]Sonar[/]="http://www.cakewalk…"]Sonar[/] if you like .... lol.

Its Windows 7/8, which is what I do like.

Kurt Foster, post: 423702, member: 7836 wrote: one thing i dislike about DAW is the whole configuration deal. what converters, which sound cards, which video card, memory, etc and then the mind numbing constantly repeating update scenario .... Radar eliminates all that.

Sort of. At first glance you'd think this but its already dated and will need to be updated. Its also not even close to what you can accomplish via a two DAW system. But like you say, you need to make the right choices to get a custom system working. Radar is doing it for you. I wouldn't touch this but it will surly attract some.

Kurt Foster, post: 423702, member: 7836 wrote: one thing i think is killing the audio biz is the need to be a computer scientist in order to feed and keep a DAW. being a computer nerd is not conducive to being a musician. after all, music is what we are doing here isn't it? something like this is a great solution imo.

Indeed.
This is exactly why Pro Tools made it. Most acoustic based musicians aren't computer savvy, nor do they aspire to be so. The whole idea of configuring something that should work is horribly distracting, counter productive.

audiokid, post: 423703, member: 1 wrote: its already dated and will need to be update

what is dated about it? and why would it need to be updated? it's a closed system, not connected to internet. you can drive this puppy for years without updates.

Good question. Aren't all DAW's closed systems up until we start adding something else into the system?

Isn't this loaded with Pro Tools, MixBus, other plug-ins or DAW to we choose. Wouldn't there be instant driver conflicts or the recommended updates? Surley its not at its best for ever. They say it has 10 years support. What does that mean, they will replace a dated HD or something you cannot get or do unless you somehow connect it to a device or ship it away. Its a computer.

I dunno, it looks like a closed in Windows box that could be had for less money or a little more and it would be an improved over this. If all we needed was 24 channels, closed in like this, any DAW will do that without much pain.

I don't get this at all.

I am telling you, Roland should have made more advances with the VS series, no OS, nice system. It got slower in the end when they added some of the later stuff of course. Who knows where it might have gone with say iPad level CPU/GPU combos... come to think of it. If we all went to the new iPad Air Pro (when it comes out), used external cloud storage and thunderbolt connected gear.. just think.. LOL.

Makzimia, post: 423706, member: 48344 wrote: come to think of it. If we all went to the new iPad Air Pro (when it comes out), used external cloud storage and thunderbolt connected gear.. just think.. LOL.

The cloud is where audio is heading.

Speaking of a closed 24 track system! I just installed an Allegro Firewire 800 PCIe card on Windows7. Perfect install. I fired up the StudioLive 24ai for the first time, wow, is it nice. Instant 24 channel tracking. The console is working together with the DAW.

Looking forward to Apollo 16 and later tonight. Its one of those fun days playing with new gear.

Good topic on [[url=http://[/URL]="https://www.gearslu…"]GS[/]="https://www.gearslu…"]GS[/]

Maybe slightly better than I give it credit for. I love this term "Integrated Audio Appliance". (y)

Actually, it's very different than a regular rack mounted PC - RADAR studio has embedded converters and sync which is impossible to get with an audio PC. We've basically made the audio PC and audio interface obsolete. RADAR studio is an entirely new category of product that we call an "Integrated Audio Appliance".

We have filed a patent on it, and it is totally unique. No one else has done such a product. We heard rumours and waited years for someone else to do it. No one did - so we figured we had to.

Also, RADAR studio has integrated the famous iZ Session Controller Professional Remote directly into into the DAW workflow - so it feels like a RADAR - finally making the DAW super fast and easy to learn. It actually standardizes the user interface so if you learn one DAW - you've learned them all! You can switch back and forth between DAWs and still get the same easy to use work flow.

Barry, iZ President

we have kept our proprietary RADAR sub-system completely separate from workstation mode. When you boot it up - you have the choice of either "RADAR mode", which is the good old, but fast, RADAR system that we've been known for all these years, or "Workstation mode" which gives you your favourite DAW! It's the best of both worlds in one box - an industry first.

i think i like it. but it's $16 G's with peripherals. still competitive though but not cheap.

Kurt Foster, post: 423711, member: 7836 wrote: i think i like it. but it's $16 G's with peripherals. still competitive though but not cheap.

Ouch. That sounds about $8000 just for them putting this together.

Compare.

• PCAudioLabs Desktop $2000,

• Orion32 $3000.
• MADI PCIe interface $1200.
• Dangerous Monitor ST Control system, $1400.
• Samplitude ProX 2 Suite $1200.

Total $8800

What am I missing?

Maybe this just for the hell of it.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ATB32a

but it's good (supported) for ten years. not so with a PC system. and $16K is with the Nyquist converters and MADI.

and don't count the monitor system or software. you will still need those.

at any rate, i won't be investing 8 or 16 K into any audio gizmos .... stick a fork in me.

The finest recording system in the world seems like a stretch but I hope they shake up the industry just the same. In two years, this will be right back where they were the last 10. Closed systems aren't what I would call, a solid investment. A stable system is however, which is what all DAW's should be focusing on instead of more bells and whistles. But thats more to do with all the third party nonsense imho.

Ten years ago I didn't even have a mobile phone. I cannot do business without it now. This is targeted to a very small,closed in crowd imho. These guys are dreaming.

I love this quote from them

The only DAW RADAR studio won't run is logic because Apple mandates that Logic only run on Apple hardware.

I even read , bye bye Apple lol. Isn't that what Pro Tools users ( the Pro Audio Industry) claim audio only runs well on. This is going to be interesting :cool:

http://www.izcorp.com/products/sound-technology/

They say it with have Thunderbolt yet its a Windows OS.

Fan or drive noise? How quiet is it?
Drive noise = 0 (we only use solid state), fan noise, super quiet using optimized fan and thermal management software.

(y)

Kurt Foster, post: 423704, member: 7836 wrote: what is dated about it? and why would it need to be updated? it's a closed system, not connected to internet. you can drive this puppy for years without updates.

There are a lot of good things about this. You can update it as well.

We've made it modular like all past RADARs so it's very easy to update the CPU, RAM, motherboard etc. You can do it yourself, or have iZ do it at any one our our several iTASC (iZ Technology Authorized Service Centre) locations.

Kurt Foster, post: 423702, member: 7836 wrote: the Radar Studio. i like the inclusion of MixBus too. but i think this is an open platform ... i believe you can run any software you want. even Sonar if you like .... lol.

one thing i dislike about DAW is the whole configuration deal. what converters, which sound cards, which video card, memory, etc and then the mind numbing constantly repeating update scenario .... Radar eliminates all that.

one thing i think is killing the audio biz is the need to be a computer scientist in order to feed and keep a DAW. being a computer nerd is not conducive to being a musician. after all, music is what we are doing here isn't it? something like this is a great solution imo.

A very astute observation. And I agree. Although I suppose it could be countered that we put the same amount of time and effort, and suffered the same learning curve regarding consoles, tape machines, wiring and routing, at one time in our early years as well, in an effort to learn the craft.

Very few of us came out of the womb knowing how to align and bias a tape deck. Well, maybe Boswell did... Yeah, I'm sure Bos is one of the exceptions. ;)

audiokid, post: 423722, member: 1 wrote: http://www.izcorp.com/products/sound-technology/

Did you read the sales pitch ?
SOUND TECHNOLOGY
INCREDIBLE SOUND TECHNOLOGY, BASED ON INCREDIBLY SOUND TECHNOLOGY

Come on !! Tonight, I'm gonna eat a good steak based on a very good steak !! ;)

The Radar crowd on GS is steaming up for a rally lol. All these Mac guys that have been using Radar now shifting to support Windows.
Then there is Slate in this mix getting a bit of rivalry from Radar. IZ says they are making something better than Slate.

Changes are coming.

DonnyThompson, post: 423724, member: 46114 wrote: A very astute observation. And I agree. Although I suppose it could be countered that we put the same amount of time and effort, and suffered the same learning curve regarding consoles, tape machines, wiring and routing, at one time in our early years as well, in an effort to learn the craft.

Very few of us came out of the womb knowing how to align and bias a tape deck. Well, maybe Boswell did... Yeah, I'm sure Bos is one of the exceptions. ;)

i have put the same amount and effort into learning computers and i still don't know wtf i am doing with them. tape machines and consoles are primarily mechanical in nature and for me a lot of it is just common sense / logic, where with computer you have to understand coding or something, which for some reason i have trouble grasping.

mechanics and music seem to have more in common than computer geeking and music. of course then you get the Craig Anderton types who seem to get the computer side of it and who can play a bit but really don't have much soul when it comes to the music side, at least imo.

of course there were a lot of musicians who didn't get the whole tape machines and consoles approach either.

You aren't alone Kurt. We're all sick a this code thing. It's a big time waster.
I have a serious love/ hate thing with computers. But, when they are working, it's a sweet deal.

Whats funny is PreSonus " Capture " is much like Radar. Its a dedicated straight to the point tracking , works flawlessly.

Kurt, you would love Capture and a Studiolive. I wish I could afford to buy your this.
I wish this was around when I was an active performer. What treat.

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I don't know man, ...

Notice the word ( you can program """") program program, configure, bla bla and the touch screen is molasses in Jan. What happens when the DAW is under load?

How is this any different than any DAW? It traps you just like Avid does.

Buy an optimized PCAudioLabs PC with the DAW of choice installed and you are there. Custom built DAW's sell anywhere from $1200 to $2000. Its all you need.
I've had a few here for over 4 years now and they are still solid.

Buy a Full Size Vizio screen ($299) Done. You can watch TV on your breaks lol. Need touch screen, the latency would drive me nuts but that's cheep too, done.

Stellar conversion. Buy an Orion 32 (32 I/O) done.
Radar conversion is no better than all the top contenders and it most certainly won't be anything special in another few years when 64 IO are to be had for $3000 or less.

It looks like its pretty locked into Pro Tools.
I wish iZ the best, the company appears excellent, passionate and very sincere., but, this is looking like the 90's repackaged with a touch screen to me.

regardless of my negative opinion, what do you think of the Video Kurt?

i like the tee shirts ......