Right, answers are confusing.

Like, lets say I open my Mac notebook...oops! Ok, nevermind

"flash SSD drives with at least 32-64MB of cache are SUPERIOR to 0MB "

What does the above statement mean? Is that the same thing as saying a six pack of cold beer with a whiskey chaser is better than a six pack of cold beer with no chaser?

'Cause that's how I'm interpreting it :)

do not run DAW in RAID0 (striping) mode

What are your specific views on why this is bad? I've used a couple drives in RAID 0 as my audio drives with no issues, and I am thinking about setting up a couple RAID 0 drives as my system drive in a new computer build. I am hoping it might help speed up writing the temp files in Audition even a little bit (I need to process many gigabytes of audio files quickly, but need the undo option).

Space wrote: "flash SSD drives with at least 32-64MB of cache are SUPERIOR to 0MB "

What does the above statement mean? Is that the same thing as saying a six pack of cold beer with a whiskey chaser is better than a six pack of cold beer with no chaser?

'Cause that's how I'm interpreting it :)

The Internet is flooded with useless posts that only serve to distance many people searching for answers from the truths they seek. My style of post was revised to a point-form list because the last thing some people want (or have time to bother reading) is a wall of text.

You didn't understand the direct data approach about SSD drives. I didn't post here to give lessons on modern tech; people that are truly interested in answers usually absorb information and then take the initiative. Anyone truly curious about the SSD option potentially could encounter my brief post, classify it as "interesting" (should it pertain to their situation), and take the ball from there.

SSD drives with cache on-board have significantly more up-time, fewer read and write errors, and generally eliminate the stuttering problems that are associated with earlier cacheless designs. If you're looking for benchmarks, micromanaged settings, artificial or real-world scenarios, or anything of the like it would serve you well to utilize "the Google".

"I didn't post here to give lessons on modern tech"

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but yes you did. Vista is a "modern tech" and that drivel above is an attempt at a lesson.

"My style of post was revised to a point-form list because the last thing some people want (or have time to bother reading) is a wall of text. "

What I want is coherent sentences, structured paragraphs and a glass of whiskey. What you gave me was a bunch of points under wierd headings and most of the points have nothing in common with either the heading or each other. The complete lack of flow means I have to read it over and over again to even get some semblance of meaning...
What I want doesn't matter though, and whatever motivated you to post that up doesn't matter either.

Are we all having fun now?

Reggie wrote: do not run DAW in RAID0 (striping) mode

What are your specific views on why this is bad? I've used a couple drives in RAID 0 as my audio drives with no issues, and I am thinking about setting up a couple RAID 0 drives as my system drive in a new computer build. I am hoping it might help speed up writing the temp files in Audition even a little bit (I need to process many gigabytes of audio files quickly, but need the undo option).

I was generalizing for the common DAW user. The majority of people looking for information aren't going full-out with a pro studio rig; in those situations, the party relies on industry specialists that and confirm or discount information posted by random users in forums. I can understand your confusion and apologize for my lack of clarification.

RAID0 (striping) is a great way to increase both read and write speeds with mechanical or solid state storage devices. The striping option is poor for many users because they don't operate in RAID10 mode, mainly due to the associated costs.

The 'death' of one disc in striping mode can result in the loss of your immediate session to as much as weeks or months of work (provided the user is behind on the backing up of their audio data; again, when addressing the forums, I believe it to be important to compensate with generalizations since everyone has unique experience and requirements).

RAID10 mirrors the striped main 'drive' but requires four drives. The majority of users roll with a single drive or two drives, either in striped or mirrored RAID mode. Hard disk drives with relatively average specifications perform well in the DAW environment. (Minimal averages such as 7200 rpm, 16-32 MB of on-board cache, etc. for modern drives.)

Beyond the mundane world of stats lies that of drive configuration. AHCI, IDE, RAID (0, 1, 5, 10), and "what is best for me?". Mechanical drives truly are unable to utilize the SATA-II interface due to physical limitations and essentially aren't any better than a ATA/133 (parallel) setup. SSD drives perform differently based on your reading and writing demands.

Many people confuse recommendations made by 'tweakers' for gaming systems with the actual requirements for dedicated DAW applications, with a majority of users in the middle (casuals) that need their machine to do everything. The professional studios ultimately rely on professional audio and component techs to ensure that their expensive investments are secure in functionality.

I'll summarize by clarifying that my recommendation to avoid RAID0 DAW configurations was for standard investment options. If you're a common user with a wide-open wallet then just go all out and go RAID10 with the striped/mirrored sets to ensure speed and safety. RAID0 alone can be risky since you might lose all of your data with even one drive 'dying'.

Single hard disks (with average or better specs) are adequate in 64-bit DAW settings environments with 8 GB or more of RAM, provided you aren't running a pro studio with upwards of 24 channels always in simultaneous multi-tracking operation. (Remember that you can increase your mixing/playback speeds whenever you aren't actually inputting tracks simply by increasing your buffer/latency times.)

It's absurd to assume every user is screwing the pooch with anything less than a RAID setup utilizing 15,000 RPM drives; DAW environments have been functioning well for years and computers today are faster and ever. Hard disks, though, have been close to the physical read/write barrier for a long time, and SSDs are still cutting edge and will not suit the needs of all users.

Greener wrote: "I didn't post here to give lessons on modern tech"

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but yes you did. Vista is a "modern tech" and that drivel above is an attempt at a lesson.

Lessons are complete, so you're absolutely wrong; my initial post was a summary of many issues.

Greener wrote: "My style of post was revised to a point-form list because the last thing some people want (or have time to bother reading) is a wall of text. "

What I want is coherent sentences, structured paragraphs and a glass of whiskey. What you gave me was a bunch of points under wierd headings and most of the points have nothing in common with either the heading or each other. The complete lack of flow means I have to read it over and over again to even get some semblance of meaning...
What I want doesn't matter though, and whatever motivated you to post that up doesn't matter either.

I hate sarcasm and mediocrity. You just sound like a forum troll. All that I gather from your response is that you're incapable of performing your own research, or that you need to have every gory detail of the topic at hand laid out; without the pop-up pictures and cheery tune, you essentially are just frustrated and cover with a defensive, emo posture.

Anyone even remotely familiar with a given subject take what they want from (any amount of) information and seek solutions -- that's called initiative. All that you've proven is you attempt to conceal your lack of insight with bad humor.

Time to get back to the interesting thread responses.

Greener wrote: Are we all having fun now?

Yes, I do need the [expletive] pop-up pictures and an [expletive] cheery tune.

What I don't need is [expletive] presented as information.

Here is some [expletive] I will attempt to palm off as valid information.

ISSUES
-Some unknown internet person is posting random [expletive] in a forum which normally isn't a place for people to [expletive] all over the place.
-This person is defensive and argumentative even when posed with simple questions about their content, let alone their motives.
-You have a itchy knee but are too fat to reach it.

TRUTHS
-Most of the points made by the random internet person are vague and inane, clouded by massive amounts of assumptions and pressed into your face in a messy and annoy manner.
-Digression into name calling and put downs takes less than 24hours.

INPUT
-Here is some more random assumptions without any referencing or indeed meaning.
-PCIe and PCI 2.0+: both are faster than Firewire and USB 2.0

PLAYBACK
-Insults and further proofs of incompetence come forth as soon as someone tries to extract some meaning from a whole page of random mind vomit.

THE QUESTION
-Who the [expletive] is this guy and why wont he [expletive] off?

THE ANSWERS
...

Greener wrote: Yes, I do need the [expletive] pop-up pictures and an [expletive] cheery tune.

What I don't need is [expletive] presented as information.

Here is some [expletive] I will attempt to palm off as valid information.

ISSUES
-Some unknown internet person is posting random [expletive] in a forum which normally isn't a place for people to [expletive] all over the place.
-This person is defensive and argumentative even when posed with simple questions about their content, let alone their motives.
-You have a itchy knee but are too fat to reach it.

TRUTHS
-Most of the points made by the random internet person are vague and inane, clouded by massive amounts of assumptions and pressed into your face in a messy and annoy manner.
-Digression into name calling and put downs takes less than 24hours.

INPUT
-Here is some more random assumptions without any referencing or indeed meaning.
-PCIe and PCI 2.0+: both are faster than Firewire and USB 2.0

PLAYBACK
-Insults and further proofs of incompetence come forth as soon as someone tries to extract some meaning from a whole page of random mind vomit.

THE QUESTION
-Who the [expletive] is this guy and why wont he [expletive] off?

THE ANSWERS
...

You just validated the truth of my prior post. I love others' ignorance at times.

I have done and will always admit I'm a Troll.
The difference between you and I is, I know I'm stupid.

"The Internet is flooded with useless posts that only serve to distance many people searching for answers from the truths they seek."

You can say that again!

Once I was looking for some porn and all I kept getting was the useless porn link pages...but no PORN! Yaddamean?

But let's move on.
""flash SSD drives with at least 32-64MB of cache are SUPERIOR to 0MB "

Two things on this one. First, an ssd is FAR more expensive then the causal drive by troll can expendiulate on, Dig where I'm hypothisizing from?

But even nearer and more dearer to my thinking, like porn wasn't already, it is a simple given that ANY cache is better then 0 cache.

See how this is all confuzilating to my postulation?

Not only is the teacher in the techin zone trying to exercise my cranium with mental , can I call it, ah, whatchamacallits, but in the endzone, there ain't no zero cache.

So do me a favor, cause I like ya, I think you are a fun guy. Now I assume your a guy, you could be a chick, I mean not that there is anything wrong with that but it reads more better to say funguy.

Anyway, love what your doing, get some accredintalation and some, ah, certifamacation and come back for the always tense, too much suspense, what's a boy gonna do when he has no where to do, do, episode of "No you are, no YOU are" to be followed by a brief intercomention.

useless posts LOL

let me put your mind at ease

1) i was by far one of the most outspoken AGAINST using vista of any flavor

2) now given the right circumstance i will actually recommend it.

3) in NO WAY is Vista anything responsible for pops, clicks etc.

it is
interface Drivers
improperly configured computer including
windows updates right or wrong ones
hardware drivers
not patched software
old software
problem exists betwwen screen and chair.
i could go on buy you get the point.

Vista is not the issue.... lack of knowledge IS.

Scott
ADK

ADK audio wrote: useless posts LOL

You should try to read other peoples' posts in their entirety before posting rhetorical arguments and unsubstantiated claims.

ADK audio wrote: let me put your mind at ease

..and ..here ..we .....go.

ADK audio wrote: 1) i was by far one of the most outspoken AGAINST using vista of any flavor

Your opinion is irrelevant; this post is about facts evidenced by multiple sources on the Internet.

ADK audio wrote: 2) now given the right circumstance i will actually recommend it.

"Given the right circumstance". You just blew my mind.

ADK audio wrote: 3) in NO WAY is Vista anything responsible for pops, clicks etc.

Please enlighten us on your logic without referencing your direct experiences.

ADK audio wrote: it is
interface Drivers

DirectX, in your world is a: 1. snack; 2. form of contraception; 3. idiot

ADK audio wrote: improperly configured computer including
windows updates right or wrong ones

Well, I suppose everyone could be in the same boat "given the right circumstance".

ADK audio wrote: hardware drivers

What's next, the current entering your area?

ADK audio wrote: not patched software
old software
problem exists betwwen screen and chair.
i could go on buy you get the point.

I'm certain that people understand the value of your input.

ADK audio wrote: Vista is not the issue.... lack of knowledge IS.

The original post actually implies that Vista x64 is a great operating system with minor multimedia complications due to DirectX limitations within the x64 environment.

I'd like to close by requesting that you read the first line of this response again; it's likely that your wall of ignorance reroutes information away from your working memory.

ADK audio wrote: Scott
ADK

900 pro audio systems a yr and supporting same enough experiance for you

DX that would be option 3

scott
ADK

Greener wrote: I have done and will always admit I'm a Troll.
The difference between you and I is, I know I'm stupid.

We should have dumped this jerk months ago... you are banned for life...

bye bye