First off not everyone uses pro tools, in fact I'm pretty sure a higher percentage of people use Sonar in their homes than Pro Tools. I am a Pro Tools user and the reasons why people use it vary about as much as people's opinion of why people use it. The pro's use it for various reasons, you can get more out of your cpu with a pro tools hd system than any other software/hardware combo, you can go from pro studio to pro studio with no problems, and pro tools is great for editing. There are some people that believe the ONLY reason pro tools is around is because of marketing, and if that were the case they'd be worth more than any marketing team in the world. Anyway IMO if you aren't planning on taking your stuff to a pro studio or starting your own I wouldn't go pro tools. You'd get more out of cubase or sonar.

Pro Tools will make you big and strong, and give you whiter teeth.

:roll: :P :lol: :D

:lol:

:D

what kind of diffrent editing possibilities does pro tool have over the others...

and also would i be right in thinking that pro tools is better for tightening up your tracks, compared to say cubase sx..ie making sure audio is sample accurate and things are generally in the right place..

I use Pro Tools because I have used it since it was Sound Tools.

A time when it was near impossible to get anything to come out of a personal computer in real time.
I still find it the easiest and most reliable software hardware combination.

YES
other programs have come and many of them are fine production tools.
I still expect that one day I will have an alternative on the LINUX platform and when it is working well I will chose to use it as an alternative.
Until then I'll stick with ProTools and will stick with at least one TDM system in my collection.

Many years ago,
there were many word processor softwares ... Word Perfect
Smart and many other names I can't remember ...

then came Microsoft Word

Today everyone uses Word ...
no-one said it was the best ... and no-one asks why do we use word.

convenience perhaps ... :roll:

Its not that pro tools offers anything different than anything else editing wise it just seems easier to me when it comes to editing. It just seems to be smooth and easy. Like I said I'm a pro tools user and I love it, I started out with cubase and never really liked it that much. IMO pro tools is just easy to work with.

They are all simply tools. The program you choose should reflect the way you like to work.

I've been using protools for many years but as of tomorrow I'm going over to Nuendo. I like the routing and work-flow better and with a floating 32bit engine, I feel that it's superior to PT in the sound-quality dept.
Nothing but tools.

Chris

olidenson wrote: :D

and also would i be right in thinking that pro tools is better for tightening up your tracks, compared to say cubase sx..ie making sure audio is sample accurate and things are generally in the right place..

What makes you think this? I have limited experience on Pro Tools but configured properly I see no reason to believe its any more accurate than anything else. They record it where you play it.

TheArchitect wrote: What makes you think this? ... They record it where you play it.

because I have bothered to double check and test this
as I do with all new systems and or hardware/software upgrades

it's a computer !
take nothing for granted

some software in the past has got this wrong

this same software could bounce to disk the same passage of audio and make a wav file of different length each bounce

maybe i am still a bit of a newbie.. but let me explain my question a little better... i do a lot of bouncing/rendering to audio... i do this for two reasons.. first to save my cpu and second for further editing purposes (i am more comfortable editing audio than midi)
it was only recently that i realised that when rendering/bouncing/resampling etc i noticed that there was gaps at the begining of the audio due to the latency i believe... so now i make it a habit to zoom into every piece i create and make sure to edit my audio thus making everything sit properly....

is this something that pro tools has an edge over .. i know it uses the beat detective which can find the correct sample peaks and re quantise audio .. iv done similar in cubase and ableton live...but does pro tools have the edge in this area....

Kev wrote: [quote=TheArchitect]What makes you think this? ... They record it where you play it.

because I have bothered to double check and test this
as I do with all new systems and or hardware/software upgrades

it's a computer !
take nothing for granted

some software in the past has got this wrong

this same software could bounce to disk the same passage of audio and make a wav file of different length each bounce

Care to name names? First I have ever heard of a modern DAW software have these issues.

olidenson wrote: maybe i am still a bit of a newbie.. but let me explain my question a little better... i do a lot of bouncing/rendering to audio... i do this for two reasons.. first to save my cpu and second for further editing purposes (i am more comfortable editing audio than midi)
it was only recently that i realised that when rendering/bouncing/resampling etc i noticed that there was gaps at the begining of the audio due to the latency i believe... so now i make it a habit to zoom into every piece i create and make sure to edit my audio thus making everything sit properly....

is this something that pro tools has an edge over .. i know it uses the beat detective which can find the correct sample peaks and re quantise audio .. iv done similar in cubase and ableton live...but does pro tools have the edge in this area....

What software are you using where this happened?

Cubase 3.52
OS8.6
7300/604e
Korg1212 card

These files where imported into Deck and the end points were all different

Deck and the 1212 were bullet proof on ADAT sync ... once the upgrade came and it omitted a whole chapter in the book
Termination of the ADAT sync cable was now not required
I think it was Deck2.5 to 2.6

After many months of trouble I was talked into upgrading Cubase to 4.0

The only reason I purchased Cubase was to help my clients and to transfer all tracks across to CLAB and Deck and later to PT when I did get the MixPlus system.

This Cubase problem was later shown in the same files transfered into PT.

And the purchase of 4.0 was a complete purchase and not an upgrade.
No upgrade packs available from my supplier at that time.

So I have two copies of cubase that didn't work.
The shop assistant actualy ended up installing a CRACK in order to get the system working because I was desperate to get a job done by the end of that week.

I've been doing this a very long time and I can keep you very busy with many stories about Harware and Software from a few companies that didn't work.

Waves, Digidesign, Korg, Roland and many others have all been on the end of my phone attacks for promises they couldn't keep.

I now don't join the leading (bleeding) edge and wait for confirmation of upgrades.
It was only 6 months ago I upgraded to HD
and I still haven't moved to G5
and only just moved to OSX.

sometimes you do just have to upgrade and hope for the best
they are computer, card, os combinations that just gon't and generational change does come.
nature of the beast

don't blindly believe what they say
let them show you it working on your equipment first

Kev wrote: Cubase 3.52
OS8.6
7300/604e
Korg1212 card

These files where imported into Deck and the end points were all different

Deck and the 1212 were bullet proof on ADAT sync ... once the upgrade came and it omitted a whole chapter in the book
Termination of the ADAT sync cable was now not required
I think it was Deck2.5 to 2.6

After many months of trouble I was talked into upgrading Cubase to 4.0

The only reason I purchased Cubase was to help my clients and to transfer all tracks across to CLAB and Deck and later to PT when I did get the MixPlus system.

This Cubase problem was later shown in the same files transfered into PT.

And the purchase of 4.0 was a complete purchase and not an upgrade.
No upgrade packs available from my supplier at that time.

So I have two copies of cubase that didn't work.
The shop assistant actualy ended up installing a CRACK in order to get the system working because I was desperate to get a job done by the end of that week.

I've been doing this a very long time and I can keep you very busy with many stories about Harware and Software from a few companies that didn't work.

Waves, Digidesign, Korg, Roland and many others have all been on the end of my phone attacks for promises they couldn't keep.

I now don't join the leading (bleeding) edge and wait for confirmation of upgrades.
It was only 6 months ago I upgraded to HD
and I still haven't moved to G5
and only just moved to OSX.

sometimes you do just have to upgrade and hope for the best
they are computer, card, os combinations that just gon't and generational change does come.
nature of the beast

don't blindly believe what they say
let them show you it working on your equipment first

Sage advice but fortunately I don't have to blindly believe anything since sx2.2 is working fine here. A cubase 3.52 reference goes back a few years to the late 90's if memory serves. Whats the statute of limitations on programming crimes anyway? :) I started out on 3.6 on Intel. Granted I wasn't moving tracks from system to system but I never experienced any issues like that.

... even if you were just consolidating tracks with in Cubase it would do this ... lt alone trying to wrk with video and timecode.

It highlited the difference between a true multitrack unit and a multiple sample playback unit.

Total sample accurate multiple playback was not a given at the time.

Things are great, generally, across the board at the moment.

BUT
I do recommend a full check of the basics of timing and time code and levels when dealing with anything that has just been upgraded.

My main beef is that companies don't acknowledge the problem and leave you floundering trying to explain to clients stuff you don't understand.
It was working yesterday ???

Again going back in time

ADAT Black Face had a polarity reverse thing going on with outputs or inputs ... Lightpipe verses Analog

fixed with the arrival of the XT's
I bought XT's

anyone want to buy some low mileage XT's ?
:)

olidenson wrote: basically my question is why does everyone use pro tools...

The Government..........shhhhhh

yes
and you will obey
8)
or the FEDs in the dark glasses will come and take you way under the dark of night

PT isn't the "best", but what really is? It's a bit personal. However, if your spending "mucho $$$" on a system, it's comforting to know that PT's Digidesign has been around for a long time and is a solid company and all that goes with that.

olidenson wrote: hi...

ive been heavily involved in producing my own tracks for the last 4 years using diff progs..i have recently settled on the wonderful
ableton live 5.

in the past iv used both cubase sx and sonar

i feel im getting to the point where my tracks are sounding very professional and was wondering what milage i would get if i incorporated pro tools into my life....

basically my question is why does everyone use pro tools... what will it allow me to do that ableton wont....

Are you experiencing a good sound? WHY RIGHT NOW KILLING IT? FORGET PRO TOOLS.
It's not true that "every one" use pt. Pro Tools is in fact the most used RECORDING and editing software, but most Music composers and producers use Logic.

Someday wrote: [..... , but most Music composers and producers use Logic.

a year or so ago that same comment was directed at Digital Performa ( DP )

mmmm
:roll:
so people useing PC's ...don't make music ??

just use what works for you ...
it's the craftsman and not the tools

The program you are most comfortable with is the one to use. I use PT most of the time, but also use Digital Performer and Logic.

The only reason to become a PT ace is if you are a freelance engineer (like myself). Most commercial studios are using PT, so if you don't know PT, you won't get work. The second reason is that if you have your own facility and want to attract clients Pro Tools is a name that they will recognize.