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music_guy wrote: No, sorry but I don't agree, too late for that
music_guy wrote: No, sorry but I don't agree, too late for that! IMO, your conduct as a "moderator" is reproachable. So, let me call you on it, point to me at where you think I had broken this forum's rules, and again, other than to defend myself from false accusations, insults, personal attacks {including yours} .
Now now. I never said you broke the rules. Only that you marred your own reputation by failing to substantiate your claims or to at the least support your own reputation by simply posting a picture of your mastering room. Instead you've been defensive about the whole thing. Why? What's wrong with posting a few pictures of your space? Is it that embarrassing? Is it so sublime that we could not comprehend it's awesomeness?
I haven't said anything against you except point out what is plainly obvious. I've only tried to prod you to either recant or defend yourself in a civil and logical way. You're pointing a finger but you don't see the three fingers in your hand pointing at yourself. If it were up to me, I would say go ahead and tell your friends but that is not up to me.
Myself? I claim nothing. Never have and that's my story.
Have a coffee. Relax and think about it.
jammster wrote: This forum has taught me quite a bit that I ne
jammster wrote:
This forum has taught me quite a bit that I never knew about making quality decisions.
I think the majority of us are in that boat with you.
The fact is that music is subjective and any method or genre will have it's supporters. To claim though that one is at par with all the majors is at best trivial. At worst, moot. Opinions. Everyone has one.
I think the fact about what makes great mastering is that it depends. It depends on your style. It depends on what you like. It depends on what you think sounds good. Sure there may be some common ideas but approach and technique may differ from person to person.
In the end, there is a method for everyone but it's up the individual to find an ME with experience in your particular genre. It's then up to the individual to build a relationship that helps the ME to see your vision.
Is there a secret? Maybe. I don't know what it is.
Space wrote: "your conduct as a "moderator" is reproachable. "
Space wrote: "your conduct as a "moderator" is reproachable. "
Reproachable means deserving reproach; Opprobrious; scurrilous; reproachful; abusive
Maybe he meant Reprehensible which means
Worthy of reprehension; culpable; censurable; blamable.
I don't think hueseph was either one. I think he was just being honest.
EV
Have you ever thought seriously about what it is that you are saying and who you are pissing off with your postings on this forum? There are a lot of top mastering engineers who read and participate in this forum yet you treat everyone with equal contempt. The professionals here have tried to understand your ramblings and have tried very hard to tell you some simple truths but you simply don't chose to listen for what ever reason.
If it were me I would really read and reread what I posted before hitting the submit button. You are looking more and more foolish with every new post. I would just stop and think before I wrote another inflammatory statement. My Dad always said that you should sit on anything you write for 24 hours and when that time was up either send it or tear it up. I think his advice is still good.
Pissing off the moderators is NOT COOL and pissing off other mastering and recording professionals is also NOT COOL. It is not that big of a pool we all live and work in and pissing in the waters will NOT endear you to others whom you may have to rely on for help in the future but maybe you don't have to worry about that.
FWIW and YMMV
hueseph wrote: Now now. I never said you broke the rules. Only t
hueseph wrote: Now now. I never said you broke the rules. Only that you marred your own reputation by failing to substantiate your claims or to at the least support your own reputation by simply posting a picture of your mastering room. Instead you've been defensive about the whole thing. Why? What's wrong with posting a few pictures of your space? Is it that embarrassing? Is it so sublime that we could not comprehend it's awesomeness?
I see. Your view is that if I don't show a picture then I am not a professional engineer. IMO, that's irrelevant to the topic of the thread. Don't you think that it doesn't help matters and that it encourages users who look up to you to derail this thread when you say:"You do realize you are making a fool of yourself and your business? People who search for "mastering" on this (popular) site will stumble upon this thread".
I haven't said anything against you except point out what is plainly obvious.
Not directly {I guess} but you did say this: "I've gotta ask you to name one. Every major studio in this town has tons of pics of their studio on their website. Why not? They have a lot to be proud of." Perhaps you believe that this comment is also very appropriate to the discussion being that you are a moderator and all, it's just fine to you even though is again completely off topic. The point really is if a moderator sets the wrong example, how can you expect that others won't follow suit?
I've only tried to prod you to either recant or defend yourself in a civil and logical way. You're pointing a finger but you don't see the three fingers in your hand pointing at yourself.
You are saying something completely different now. I am sure this isn't about showing my studio picture. So, if I think I understood your meaning, how am I going to be able to demonstrate anything if the main moderator will not allow me to post external links to the other forum? You tell me.
If it were up to me, I would say go ahead and tell your friends but that is not up to me.
I think you are giving me clearance to do so, aren't you?
Why am I still reading this crap? Have I learned anything here
Why am I still reading this crap?
Have I learned anything here.......? Sorry can't say I have.
What's the big freakin deal about RTA's? Yes we all use them, .....and your point would be?
I mean really its just a simple application of math in the end, software or hardware. I love my fast Fourier transforms as much the next guy, but I mean come one guys its just a tool.
Would you argue for this long over a hammer?
I come to recording.org because it is a peaceful place where I can learn, not to watch jerry freakin springer.
music_guy wrote: One is 24-96 Mastering a.k.a. Robin Schmidt fr
music_guy wrote: One is 24-96 Mastering a.k.a. Robin Schmidt from Germany who I believe admitted 'glancing at it sometimes' - makes me wonder why he has it in the picture in the first place if he doesn't really use it too much :) Maybe he'll chime in and share how he uses it and for how long {not that the length of your observation really matters}.
Indeed I will chime!
Funnily enough, on that photo of my suite you linked, the content of all screens was photoshopped in, because on the day of the photoshoot (2002 when I built the suite), the screens weren't connected to a computer yet. So... you have all been fooled (insert evil laugh here).
Anyway, I do actually have the Wavelab meters running on one of the screens. But of course they don't guide what I do, they are there in case I want to look something up. Active bit depth on the bit meter, peak level on the peak meter, balance (when running tones through analog before an analog pass) on the peak balance meter, frequency of a narrow anomaly (when I'm too lazy to EQ sweep) on the FFT RTA, etc. They're meters... invaluable for calibration, they can help speed up technical / analytical stuff (heavy restoration, for example), they're also useful to confirm or negate what you think you know. And they look fantastic. My lil baby girl LOVES looking at them!
PS: Thanks to the mod who made the photo show :)
24-96 Mastering wrote: they are there in case I want to look som
24-96 Mastering wrote: they are there in case I want to look something up. Active bit depth on the bit meter, peak level on the peak meter, balance (when running tones through analog before an analog pass) on the peak balance meter, frequency of a narrow anomaly (when I'm too lazy to EQ sweep) on the FFT RTA, etc. They're meters... invaluable for calibration, they can help speed up technical / analytical stuff (heavy restoration, for example), they're also useful to confirm or negate what you think you know. And they look fantastic. My lil baby girl LOVES looking at them!
That's what I thought you said at the other forum. I am also happy for you that you are now a new Dad. :cool: How lucky of you. Thanks for chiming in.
Just a one time poster from Brooklyn New York who wants to bear
Just a one time poster from Brooklyn New York who wants to bear witness to the fact that the man you are judging in this thread is really a professional, and probably more than the large majority who frequent this forum will ever be. Certainly more than his detractors who show no respect for his professional opinion. If Eddie says that a lot can be gained working or mastering with analyzers, then you better believe it. I didn't even know that Eddie was in the mastering business, so this is good to know.
This picture was taken in 1996 when he recorded and produced my first CD album with that fabulous Neve 8078 sound. How many of you can claim to have worked in such studio environment? I still love the sound of that CD, so thanks very much Eddie V. Best of luck to all and keep the informative posts coming.
I couldn't agree with you more Sir, pictures don't show or prove
I couldn't agree with you more Sir, pictures don't show or prove anything and I guess the reason why Eddie V. ignored those users who demanded to see pictures. I am also of the opinion that an A-list clientele and major label releases are more important to establish credibility or respect than pictures of equipment. I don't recall you being part of the discussion, so I am assuming that you are just not aware of who we are talking about and why. Thanks for showing good faith and goodbye.
Quite frankly I don't care who he is or who he knows. What I do
Quite frankly I don't care who he is or who he knows. What I do care about is good ideas, maybe even new skills that can be learned.
His whole point is "gee aren't spectrum analyzers useful tools"
Well ah yes they are......
Sorry but I don't think much can be gleamed from such a simple statement. However the fact someone would argue so pointlessly for pages does tell me something.
I don't recall you being part of the discussion, so I am assumin
I don't recall you being part of the discussion, so I am assuming that you are just not aware of who we are talking about and why.
I have been a contracted and paid professional musician since 1984 and have "A" list employers on my resume including the Chicago Symphony. I made no comment for or against your buddy and I have followed this thread from its beginning.
Getting snarky with me will not improve your credibility as anything other than a sock puppet. I do not claim to be a great mastering engineer and so do not have a bone in the fight per se, but a 1996 picture of someone sitting at a position on a computer while a recording engineer is sitting at the recording desk in the background would seem merely an attempt to obfuscate.
If I misinterpreted your printed words then my apologies.
basssinger wrote: Just a one time poster from Brooklyn New York
basssinger wrote: Just a one time poster from Brooklyn New York who wants to bear witness to the fact that the man you are judging in this thread is really a professional, and probably more than the large majority who frequent this forum will ever be. Certainly more than his detractors who show no respect for his professional opinion. If Eddie says that a lot can be gained working or mastering with analyzers, then you better believe it. I didn't even know that Eddie was in the mastering business, so this is good to know.
This picture was taken in 1996 when he recorded and produced my first CD album with that fabulous Neve 8078 sound. How many of you can claim to have worked in such studio environment? I still love the sound of that CD, so thanks very much Eddie V. Best of luck to all and keep the informative posts coming.
I am glad you are coming to your friend's aid. That is what friends are for and what they are suppose to do in times of turmoil or tragedy. The simple act of friendship is one of the things that makes this world a nice place to live in.
Edward maybe the greatest audio engineer on the planet and maybe the one person that can realistically call himself a professional. I do not know him personally, all I can relate to is his persona on this web board and other web boards that I have seen him on.
He does not come off well on these web boards. He does not present himself or his ideas well. He refuses to show people pictures of his "studio" and will not share what equipment he uses.
IMHO his personal attacks on others and never admitting that he is wrong go a long way to tarnish his persona on this web board.
There are a lot of people here who are professionals. They have long and varied careers and you can go to their websites and look to see what types and kinds of equipment they are using and from their websites you can get a general feeling for their professionalism and see who some of their clients are. You cannot do that with Edward's site.
I assume from your posting that you have not kept in touch with Edward until recently since you said you did not know he was doing mastering. Maybe the Edward you knew has changed.
I am glad that when you worked with him he provided you with services and his expertise and you were well pleased with the results. That was then and this is now. He is providing different services and different expertise to clients and fortunately or unfortunately what he was doing with you back then has nothing to do with his current activities.
I have trouble figuring out what Edward is all about. I don't have a very clear picture of his ideas nor the way he works. I know he is overly concerned with using RTAs to master and has picked a couple of fights with members of this board and moderators over this. If that is important to him then I guess he needs to defend his position.
We all have certain ways of doing things and we all get touchy if some basic skill set or something we hold in high regard is threatened and may react in a hostile manner which Edward has done on more than one occasion.
The picture you attached is nice but he could be doing anything from checking his email to writing another post on Gearslutz or Recording.org and really proves nothing except that he is sitting in front of a computer in a recording studio and I am not sure why you included the picture.
I am glad he has a friend like you to come to his aid. Friends are good for the soul.
Best of luck.
To: TheJackAttack, I am sorry that I didn't make it clear. I was
To: TheJackAttack, I am sorry that I didn't make it clear. I was not being quippy there. I was just not sure if you had read the entire thread. Thanks for the clarification.
To: Mr. Thomas W. Bethel, I have no idea of what you are talking about. As I have read and understood in this thread, it was you who insulted Eddie first by asking if he was "tossed off" from another forum. Also, I spoke to him on the phone about an hour ago and he couldn't be busier this time of the year. I am going to visit his new studio in Brooklyn, New York which is convenient for me as well. I told him what I did and he thought that it wasn't necessary. He really doesn't care how he is perceived on forums and I don't blame him after reading these posts. I couldn't agree more, next time I won't get sucked into these outlandish forum discussions.
I did present this picture to show that the man is not pretending to be something he is not. You would think that everybody would recognize state of the art equipment when they see it even if this photo appears to be a bit "obfuscated". I can only say that I am sure that he was not sending emails or posting stuff to forums. He was posing in front of the Mac sequencer because he didn't want to disturb his intern Joe at the board. The "board" is a Neve 8078, considered the Rolls Royce of mixing boards. If he can teach someone how to use one, then I don't know what else I can say that can make you stop from your deliberate harassment. Maybe you should start worrying about your own business and leave Eddie's alone. My opinion of you at this point is not the best either. So, good luck in your mastering career.
To: Michael Fossenkemper, the top deck in that rack was a Panasonic DAT machine, the unit below was an AKAI 3200 stereo sampler (I own one myself) very expensive back in 1996, not worth very much today.
May all of you have wonderful careers and God bless America!
Michael you have good eyes and I guess I don't. How about a SV-
Michael you have good eyes and I guess I don't.
How about a SV-4100 as shown here http://www.datrecorders.co.uk/sv4100.php
Michael Fossenkemper wrote: Thanks Eddie, You too. Michael Foss
Michael Fossenkemper wrote: Thanks Eddie, You too.
Michael Fossenkemper wrote: you guys are close. But you have to look closer.
Hint* notice the darker ID buttons under the jog wheel. Also notice a couple of extra button on the bottom left. 3700's don't have this.
You are vey welcome Michael! :D But, you were wrong with that assumption, however, your observation about the Panasonic was correct, it's the SV-4100. BTW, there is a dog barking outside your building, can you open up and let him in? You may want to get him some Alpo to quite him down. :wink: My client should be deleting this picture shortly, so don't forget to download your copy. Best regards to all and keep this amusing thread going. I sure did enjoy reading the new comments.
Space wrote: "your conduct as a "moderator" is reproachable. "
Thank you Space. I'm glad that you found a friend.