Rather new to mixing, but recently got a set of decent monitors, so hopefully by my 50th mix i'll be getting nearer that promised land

Mike

Still new, on about my 20th real song (for others'
work, praise and tango so far), and I've done a few
"experiments" on my own. Given my equipment, it's
taking forever to even appease my sensibilities,
but then, I'm trying to learn.

How many before I get it? What?! I'm perfect
already. Ha! I have no clue how far away I am, yet.
But as a WAG, let me just say...

80 songs: at least 4 in each of 5 different styles
and all 4 being from different sessions or projects.
With each project averaging about 4
songs, that will be about 4 * 4 * 5 = 80, I think.

Hey Mixerman, I get a kick out of your polls, and find the responses so variable, interesting, and with just a few that are the same.

Here’s my answer to this one. I started out with a Sony TC-500A that allowed you to be able to sync 2 tracks, so if you are adding and bouncing, you got to get it right. Next came four track, if you are layering, and bouncing many tracks, you got to get it right, cause there may be 16 or more tracks to do, and to maintain any kind of control and balance you got to get it right. Then came 8, 16, and more etc. Then came other stuff to do, like spatial enhancement, then came better dynamic control, then more precision, experimenting, introducing new technology’s, fussing with acoustics, monitors, noise on and on and on... So until I got to the point, where I didn’t look at meters, other than to verify a signal was there, and started mixing by instinct, I would say, at least a COUPLE THOUSAND MIXES. And with that I can say, I am qualified to mix.
--Rick

Hi Mixerman...
I have mixed basically a couple of demos for my band on my digi 001... But none very seriously... I could say my first real mix will be the MixFest UFO mix.... I am killing to do that... I just want to learn... (I'm still pretty young...)

I think that maybe by my 500th song or more, if I get better monitors I can start thinking that my job is "O.K" But I think that a great mix only comes with years of experience, the right song, and great taste, and some people get great taste without mixing much, some (like me) are going to have to work it a lot more! :)

Interesting questions...
Manuel

The number is 1. I come from a live background, not big stuff just clubs and the odd festival. Thing is that there is no second chance you get it right quickly or the band and audience is pissed. I have worked with a number of the best of the blues and roots guys and we never had a sound check, what is the point when the club is empty and the band tired from driving half the night to get to the gig. So the watch word was don't play the hit on the first song. The mics and DIs were up and the band launched in and you had the first 8 intro bars to balance the instruments and about 4 words into the verse to make sure the vocal was acceptable. Then fine tune the EQs to get everything to gell. You had the room tuned by playing with a master 31 band while the crowd was filling up the place and you might revisit that a little during the first tune. And in a lot of clubs you are handling the moniter mix from FOH as well. You get real good at discerning the pained look on the face of the vocalist, when the sax is ripping his ear drums out.
How does that translate to mixing, well there are no big budgets on the stuff I do just a band who have saved enough to afford a day in the studio and they want to record and mix 10 tunes in a day. I know this is unrealistic, but I'm dealing with young guys who are often in a studio for the first time, and they don't know it's unrealistic even tho' I've tried to tell them when we first talked. We track pretty much live off the floor, it's the only way to get through the day, then replace the vocals and lead instruments, so the mix these guys hear from the cans is pretty close to the mix they will get, it has the verbs delays and comps mostly in place, (through the monitor mix not to the DAW or Tape Machine ). I don't have the luxury of automation, at this point, just my hand written track sheets. So after tracking the tunes I immeadiately start assembling the mix from notes then stop for a beer or coffee and then we assemble the 1 mix, if the band doesn't like it (which is the definition of good I use), if it doesn't make them sound like whoever their hero is at that moment,if it doesn't have a certain amount of tricks that make them go wow, I probably won't get paid, so for this humble demo studio the answer is 1. Which is not to say that I think I'm there and can't improve, it's just a corruption of the "one's too many and a thousand's not enough" thing. Sorry for the novel but I bet this is the case for a lot of us small guys. I'll be overjoyed when the number gets to 2. take care Logan

My first mix was pretty amazing, and its been downhill from there.

Of course the first mix was done on a home-built (by my brother) synthesizer and a home-built (by myself) tape-echo from an old Tanberg reel-to-reel thingy.

I still have it on casette, and although its raw, improvised synth in left and the echo in right plus me on pointless mic in center screaming things distortedly.... its neat as hell :D

Prolly 20 years ago. I was like 13.

/Z

I don't think I'm there yet.

Each mix makes me think harder on the next and makes me want to 'improve' upon my process or just change it to experiment.

I'm NOT currently paid for my work. My philosophy is 'My first paying client will be the one who asks for me because he/she's hear something I've done'.

The bands that have recorded seem happy though.

I've had about 4-5 bands do complete projects with me in the last 12 mo's. Each were referred by the last. (so far, so good)

I'll be VERY interested to see others' posts!!!

I think I got the hang of it after about 100 tracks -- maybe 5 false starts per track -- your number is 500.

Hard question, because I think there's light years of improvement to go, but .......... I think by about the 100th mix I should have something together (hopefully).

Ive been involved in this stuff for about 10 years now and every day I still learn something new. As for the number.....I couldnt say, I do know this....the first Label project I worked on my chops went up 10fold.

Had to be atleast 500+ mark until I became comfortable and competent at what I was doing. Thats around the time I would say "Thats the shit" :)

1000, which only means I'm more than halfway there.

Predrag

Hard Question .
I was working the last 10 years ,day & nigth, in several studios , working on records , jingles , movies ,recording ,producing , mixing ....But i feel that just recently, in the last two years , I've started to understand something of what the hell is happening ,
Let's say +1000 to warming up :)

Originally posted by Mixerman:
On what number mix did you really start to get mixing, or get good at mixing (either one, and probably the same). If you are new at mixing, say so, and take a guess at what number mix you'll get good at mixing.

Do you keep track??? :eek:

I'd say I'm still learning to be good at it.

I figure I'm at mix 500 or 600 or so.

Given that mixing is highly subjective, I could no easier put a number on the meal upon which I will attain the recognition of "eating right".

My answer is either 0 (zero) or 8 (rolled on its side).

I've done about 200 mixes thus far and only STARTING to get a hang of it so I would say it will take another 200.
And since all these mixes are mostly in the same genre.... Oh well....

Keijo

i wish i had a number

every time is some thing totally new
i just keep trying to get different mixes, different sounds, etc.......

i think for me personally there will never be a number, it will always be doing completely different things and trying to reinvent the way i work everytime

Hmmmm....let's see.....by today I've mixed about 100 tunes - many of them re-mixes. If *MY* number is "n + 1" then today's answer is 101. Yeah, that's it.

Check back tomorrow for an update!

Best...

Probably 50, discounting roughs. That's kind of when I felt like I was getting a sort of handle on it- of course, I'm not *there* yet, if there is a there.

Without rec.audio.pro, it probably would have been 150.

Well I've been mixing for about 20 years and every day I learn something new. Somedays or songs I thought I had it all figured out. I do believe it hasn't changed much from the time I started but I do remember my mixes becoming good when I realized how important tuning was. Once your in tune everything sweetens up.

If I can use an average of live work and my little studio I'm sitting in around 4500 nights or sessions.

My answer is 4499. My last one was pretty good.

I'm thinking that at about 15 tunes, I started feeling that I was maybe getting the hang of things. Then, at 30 tunes, I realized that at 15 tunes I didn't know diddly... because I was 'really' getting it. Then, at about 45 tunes, I figured out that at 30 tunes I still didn't quite get it. Which of course made my newer discoveries/techniques give me a bit of a 'chubby.' And so it goes, several years and bunches of tunes later; about every 15 of them I find myself 'totally having a clue' as compared with the past... I must be nearing another multiple of 15, because I think I'm doing quite well right now, which means (for me) that another reality check is due.
I think you really start getting good when you realize that you are _always_ starting at getting good.

Poop... I started typing and forgot that the subject was "pick a number... ONE number."

Sorry.

The one number I pick is whatever the current number is.

I am still (an will probably remain) a newbie as all my playing and mixing is on a strictly amateur basis, but I try hard.

I started feeling at satisfied with my mixes at around number 10, then at number 20 I realised I was still shit - I expect a new wave of optimism sometime around no 40 (that's mixes and re-mixes often of the same songs).

Mark

I started getting it around 75. I'm not sure I'm good yet.

Originally posted by Ang1970:
Given that mixing is highly subjective, I could no easier put a number on the meal upon which I will attain the recognition of "eating right".

My answer is either 0 (zero) or 8 (rolled on its side).

I disagree with this to a certain extent. Yeah, OK technically judging a mix is subjective, but I know when I've nailed a mix and when it was just a good mix. Most of the time when it's just a good mix, other things come to play beyond my control that prevent it from being a great mix.

I recently listened to a record that I mixed in 1995 and I don't mix anything like that anymore. But the mixes are still incredibly satisfying for me. There's a point when you get it. Guessing what number may be ridiculous, but it's fun.

Mixerman

I'd say I'm not as close as I'd like to be. I've really only mixed 40-50 songs so far in the past 3.5 years - some have had it, others are still far away and make me cringe. I've learned much, but I think it has a lot to do with the initial recording, as well as the arrangement. When these are on, it's much easier for me.

So, perhaps after 80 mixes I'll feel like I'm on to something.

I've also gone from 4 tracks (7 years), to 8 tracks (2.5 years) to DAW (Paris 16+ tracks - 1 year). That's a lot of change.

Regards,

Graham

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