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Two instrumental Mixes

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Hi all!

I am a guitar player and have been recording and mixing a bit.
I'd like to get some feedback on these two mixes.

What's good?

What can I do to make them better?

https://soundcloud.com/user-807280440/sets/mixes



Vocals will follow!

Thanks!

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DogsoverLava Thu, 01/26/2017 - 22:35
Pabyen, post: 446954, member: 50341 wrote: Hi all!

I am a guitar player and have been recording and mixing a bit.
I'd like to get some feedback on these two mixes.

What's good?

What can I do to make them better?

https://soundcloud.com/user-807280440/sets/mixes



Vocals will follow!

Thanks!
From what I've learned here about mixing (through doing and otherwise) is that each mix is its own thing. What I mean by that is that these mixes (sans vocals) are only useful in the context of themselves and adding vocals is not something you do on top of an existing mix. The addition of vocals would require the whole mix to be retooled. So as much work or tweaking you do on these - that will not necessarily translate into the idea that you are X% along in the mix and only have x% left to do once you add vocals -- that adding vocals will necessitate complete remixing almost (almost) from the ground up. I'm generalizing here but I think i'm correct.

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Pabyen Fri, 01/27/2017 - 00:00
To be honest: I do not know. That's why I ask for tips. I just think that evaluating the (room) sound of the drums and pointing out odd frequencies (that I cannot hear on my monitors) is something that can be done without voc. I would just never slam the vocals on top and then start dealing with the drums. I try to fix the drums first and work myself up. If that is not a good way to go about it, I'm ready to change that.

I'm sure this mix is not the final version, but only a step in the process.

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pcrecord Fri, 01/27/2017 - 02:45
Hi Pabyen, thanks for sharing.
I strongly suggest you use the media button and post your audio here (it needs to be an mp3 at max 320kps)
I listened to your songs through soundcloud and I can't get passed the hi frequencies being all squashed possibly by their convertion/compression process.
We had this kind of problems many times. If you post here and it sounds the same, at least we will rule out soundcloud as being the reason and move foward.
I'm guessing their convertion problem gets worse when we upload .wav 16/44 files and it's less noticeable with already converted to mp3 files.

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pcrecord Fri, 01/27/2017 - 17:31
Ok, I hear the difference with the soundcloud version and those ones are a tinny bit better. But a lot of clarity lost may be due to the recording or mixing.
Keep in mind a big part of comments you will receive are taste aligned. Here's what I think :
Guitar and bass are working fine for now because my attention is elsewhere...
The drum is what disturbs me the most. It is far away, like at the end of a hallway and the guitar and bass are much closer.
The room verb on the drum isn't working for me.. It's way too much. I'd cut it's level by 50% and work my way from there.
Also, the hihat and cymbals seems to have a low pass filter on them. Did you remove some high end on them ? The ride sounds like a shirt was put on it.
I hope you get through the imagery I use to try to explain what I hear.
Also I hear some saturation on some bass drum as if you were overloading something..
Get that mix in my face, less reverb, a bit less compression or at least slower attack maybe. ;)

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Pabyen Sat, 01/28/2017 - 00:29
I'm still trying get the hang of getting the drums sound aggressive and natural (nonrobotic) at the same time. I guess the loudness of the room mics and the compression on them may appear like a low pass.
I'll try to make some improvments. Thanks for your input.

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Pabyen Sat, 01/28/2017 - 06:08
Of course. I really need your ears. I've checked again: I have hardly applied any eq because I thought that superior drummer was recorded in a professional studio where the room sounds right without eq. I have now dipped 400Hz in the OHs and all room mics. What really helped against the dullness was a high shelf slammed on the master drum track, but I suppose that sledehammer approach is not the way to do it. ;-)

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Pabyen Sun, 01/29/2017 - 00:39
Not easy to say. I did not do any measurements in the room. The room is approx. 6 by 4 metres and far from empty. Wooden floor, two big carpets, wooden ceiling. By no means a professional studio.
Since I sit directly in front of the monitors the room should not matter too much.

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Pabyen Sun, 01/29/2017 - 01:04
The table in front of me likes to resonate, so I should get something heavier that does not enhance bass response in the room.
In the past my my mixes were very bassy and dull. I was trying to go more in that direction:
This song really hurts my ears when played over my monitors, because the highs are so aggressive. I guess they did that during mastering.

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