ebay, and too mutch.
just get some msp5s i think there great.

They are a bit pricey... Unless you're trying to get them as "staple" speakers, I'd go with something a little more...

How do I put this (he ponders as he steps into a flame-suit)...

good sounding?

I wouldn't exactly recommend the MSP's either... For what a pair of NS10's is going for lately (maybe around $800 USD) you could get a set of B&W DM602's or something with a little "full range" going on.

Or M-Audio BX8's AND a sub...

Something that has a little low-end response.

i was preaty impressed with msp5's low end as far as mixxing goes what will you be doing?

a very recent thread :

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Sidhu

MusicTech-Student wrote: I am thinking of buying some Yamaha NS10s but after a quick look can not find any for sale, in England, on the net. Does anyone know where I could find any for sale in England and how much they now cost on average

I you really want those NS-10's, be sure to get them quick, because they're not going to get any cheaper! The last half a year or so the price on used NS-10's here in Denmark has gone op with almost 100%, and if that's the tendency, those monitors sure aren't a bad investment!

I had to get rid of my NS10ms because I got tired of constant ear fatigue. After 2-3 hours I couldn't tell which way was up, and I never knew what was happening on the bottom end...very frustrating, although I did manage a few good mixes on them.

shaun
http://www.houseofbossa.com

re ns10s

I wouldn't get those monitors unless you have a really nice set of regular nearfields and good farfields because when I was in school I had a mix that sounded really good on the ns10s and when I switched to the mackie nearfields (the ones with the 8 in woofer) and the mix sounded like crap and there was too much bass and I was pissed, then I switched over to the nice farfields and boy did it sound waaaay too bass heavy, I know the ns10s have the smaller woofer and I think only go down to 70hz or so, but I wouldn't be jumping on those things especially at the prices they are going for now a days. I personally wouldn't pay more than $100 for those, I'd rather have something with a good full frequency response as main nearfield monitors and if I wanted something cheap to check my mix on then I would pick up a pair of rca or sony bookshelf speakers and a crappy little amp. But thats just me, I just think you could spend that money on something else.

bob

Thanks for the replys,

Thanks guys for replying to my post. I just want some NS10s as I used them last year, is a studio at collage, with a pair of Genelec monitors and I was tought that if you can get you mix sounding good on both sets than it will generally sound good on most speakers. I also want a pair of NS10s, as Ellegaard sugested, because I believe that in the future the price of them is going to rocket more so I had better get some before they fall out of my price range. I will look into msp 5's to see if they will also do the job.

I don't think they are making NS10's any more. If you do buy a pair, I'd recommend trying to find some extra tweeters for backup...

I am laughing again and again about the poor peopla trying to get an NS-10. These are most over estimated speakers every built. You can do the same with a pair oa Alesis M1 at the half of the price. The theory of "studio standard" is completly shit and so is the story of the NS10 "It will sound anywhere, when it sounds well of them".

There is nothing about thes NS-10 - just like with the Shure SM58. Tzhey are nothing else then old.

Try some EVENT 20/20 or SAMSON 65.

RichardOtt wrote: There is nothing about thes NS-10 - just like with the Shure SM58.

I better buy you a beer some day.
I never figured out what drug Yamaha was on when Yamaha first issued the NS-10. At least they sobered up and killed the thing eventually.
Sure, you can manage to make a decent mix on those abominations.. and you can also manage to make decent music on heroin. Talent and hard work will get you places no matter what.
And the SM58.. sure.. it works.. you can say that about my neighbor too... so what..

quite honestly the sm57 and 58 are great and im glad that shure has not discontinued them one thing about this busess most of the best gear isnt made any more. am not calling the ns10s great i havent used them but i can say i dont like 20/20s i just wanted to defend thouse legendary mics

NS10s

Everybody who is bashing these monitors are crazy they are awesome for mixing because they arent good speakers if yuo get a great speaker and mix with it then your mix is gonna sound terrible in a car or on a computer speaker if you get the ns10's they are really flat and when you can mix something and make it sound good in these speakers then you can be sure they will sound good on any speakers!!!

Oh yeah and if these monitors arent good for mixing then why does every major studio in america have these also i attend fullsail ( http://www.fullsail.com ) and we have these in our studios we have down here in florida....so you do the math get what people are telling you to get or look at what the pro's are using and get that.

Mediaguru wrote: I don't think they are making NS10's any more. If you do buy a pair, I'd recommend trying to find some extra tweeters for backup...

They are not making the cabinets anymore, something to the effect of the tree that the cabs were made from was nearly wiped out (I think). The components like tweets and woofs are still available to the best of my knowledge.

johnwy wrote: [quote=Mediaguru]I don't think they are making NS10's any more. If you do buy a pair, I'd recommend trying to find some extra tweeters for backup...

They are not making the cabinets anymore, something to the effect of the tree that the cabs were made from was nearly wiped out (I think). The components like tweets and woofs are still available to the best of my knowledge.i'm not sure either but I heard that the tree pulp used for the woofer cone was the rare one. Either way, pick em up while you can. In fact...you should buy mine! :D

Bhennies wrote: i'm not sure either but I heard that the tree pulp used for the woofer cone was the rare one.

Whoops :!: You're right. It was the woofer cones, my mistake.

yea it was virgin unbleached birch tree pulp for the wolfer

Thanks for all your facts and opinions on the MS10's. After looking around I have decided not to buy them yet as I would not be able to use them on their own as they are best used with other monitors and I dont have the money to buy two sets of monitors. So I am going to start by buying one set of decent monitors. I suppose I will just have to pay the crazy price, in the future, when I have a decent studio that I would be able to use them in.

BTW I looked at the MSP5's and they look quite good. I did not realize that they were the monitors that Yamaha now produce in place of the NS10's.

i fully endorce the msp5's i use them as a stand alone mixing monitor, though as always check every mix in the sterio you know the best like your car, or home theartre set up. not that my edorsment really means to mutch.

Are the NS-10M a reissue of the NS-10? What is different about the models?

i don't know how to do the quote thing, but:

"Everybody who is bashing these monitors are crazy they are awesome for mixing because they arent good speakers if yuo get a great speaker and mix with it then your mix is gonna sound terrible in a car or on a computer speaker if you get the ns10's they are really flat and when you can mix something and make it sound good in these speakers then you can be sure they will sound good on any speakers!!!"

flat isn't exactly the right word here. it's pretty much the opposite. they are very coloured and so if you've got an expensive flat pair of monitors and a pair of NS10s, you will have both perspectives.

i found this on a web site:

Note: There were two versions of the NS10; The NS10M was a domestic hi-fi speaker, with vertical livery. The NS10MS, with horizontal livery, denotes the industry standard near field studio monitor version which incorporates a smoother sounding and higher rated HF tweeter.

RichardOtt wrote: I am laughing again and again about the poor peopla trying to get an NS-10. These are most over estimated speakers every built. You can do the same with a pair oa Alesis M1 at the half of the price. The theory of "studio standard" is completly shit and so is the story of the NS10 "It will sound anywhere, when it sounds well of them".

There is nothing about thes NS-10 - just like with the Shure SM58. Tzhey are nothing else then old.

Try some EVENT 20/20 or SAMSON 65.

Have you ever used ns10 ? or sm58 ?

I use ns10 every day, and if you know how to use them, they are great !!!

as for sm57/58, I use them on everything, from drums to voice ...

As for the price, here in europe, it seems that a pair is about 450 €, wich is 500/550 $. I would buy ns10 as my main monitors if I could not offer anything to complement them.

I'm surprised nobody has discussed the fact that the NS-10 is a passive monitor. It therefore needs to be fed by a separate power amplifier.

For those of you who think this particular monitor is overrated, maybe your listening experience was tainted by a poor power amp? (Or any number of things like relative placement, poor control room acoustics, etc.)

It's pretty hard to deny the fact that the NS-10 has been a stalwart in recording studios all over the world for over 20 years. To say that all those engineers and producers were duped is a bit.... well, stupid. :wink:

Obviously there are better/flatter/louder/clearer/whatever monitors in the world but the 10's have surely earned their reputation as a solid near-field reference.

To my knowledge to NS 10's are no longer made. I think they were around for about 30 years or so. And not too long ago they changed the design to what was called NS-10S. The ns-10 was the vintage version and the NS-10S was the newer design. However I do believe that you can still get them because they are still in stock at many places around the world. But since they are still sought after the price will continue to grow until there are no more and all you will be able to buy will be used ones.
FYI----I had a pair of the original's but the top end was toooo much. After about one and a half hours of recording and referencing I couldn't hear shit except hissssss and real high top end.
I used them for 4 years or so. Once I blew the tweeders in them for the 2nd time. I bought some new monitors. The Mackie HR824's.
I really like these monitors. They are NICE!
Much better bottom end than the NS-10's. And over all they are a better design IMHO. And sound better and are easier to listen to for 3 and 4 hours at a time.
Good luck

MS-10 speakers are used for a reason. Not because they sound particularly brilliant, but because they are incredibly unforgiving.

Most big studios used them as a reference source flipping back and forth between their main soffitt mounted beasts and the NS-10s to 'check' the mix or signal. Use of OTT compression, bad EQ and poorly timed gates might get lost in the mix, but oh no, the NS-10's would show them up all right.

As far as using them as sole monitors - i've done this, and its and aquired taste. However what i would say is that if it sounds nice on a pair of NS-10's it'll be pretty good on everything. Many studios now use small KRK's for the very same purpose.

FYI The NS-10S model was an updated version that had a revised tweeter. Early models suffered from blown drivers quite frequently. The 'S' model was supposed to remedy that problem.

i have a pair in storage. make me an offer.