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I've been trying to find a cheap way to lower the volume of my 100 watt marshall amps(with 4x12 cabs) when cranked up to 10(JCM800s seem to be WAY louder than normal 100watt amps). there are a lot of level reduction boxes that go between the amp and the cab, but are known for lowering the sound quality too. So an engineer friend told me that some guitarists use voltage reduction boxes (the ones that reduce the voltage coming from the wall), which are cheaper then the previous. It is supossed to work, but I'm wondering if it will damage my amps, and will I still get power tube saturation when I crank it up to 10?
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anonymous Mon, 04/29/2002 - 17:27

Yes lowering the votlage going into you amp will work. Eddie Van Halen did that with his Marshall. However , it is VERY VERY DANGEROUS if you try to DIY (like Eddie using a light dimmer!). You can buy professional variacs that can safely lower the voltage down to nothing , but i have a feeling these may be more expensive than say , a Marshall powerbrake. With the valaves supplied with less voltage than normal , their headroom is reduced and distortion is achieved at lower SPL's.

crazy_guitar Tue, 04/30/2002 - 13:14

The power bake takes the edge out of the amp, you still have power tube saturation. I've also pulled tubes out to make it 50 watts, but it sounds like a 50 watt cranked up, not like a 100 watt, which I think is different, plus also at 50watts the amp made a cracking sound very bad at half vulume. So seems like a Variac is the only way to go, for preserving the tone. I know a lot of the tone comes from the speaker distorting a little, but I'll still be loud, it's just that 100watts its too much, but the tone is amazing. well I'm happy to know that with a variac you can still have power tube saturation. I think they cost around $250-$350 like a power brake.
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anonymous Tue, 04/30/2002 - 13:40

Ok, guys here is my take on this subject.
I have dealt with this for a few years and have a
lot of experience with the hot plate , power brake, pulling tubes ect....

pPwer brake REALLY sucks, kills the dynamics and reduces your tone to a wimpy buzzing.

Hot plate is a lot better, but you can`t reduce the volume down a to reasonable level without losing the beef of the tone.

Pulling tubes makes no big difference, you lose punch, but are still just as loud (-3dB)

I found two solutions, use the hot plate as a load box, run the signal into a poweramp and the into your cab. this works pretty good(this is how Eddie does it)

But for me the best way was to simply turn my cab
backwards and I could play as loud as I wanted.
And my bandmates are pleased. The sound engineer loves it!

My 68`Super Bass(plexi) sounds extremely good when turning it up to 10. It`s in very good shape, not muddy at all. Gives me a beautiful
Eric Johnson lead tone.

Sorry, but there is no way a hot plate or power brake can help you without ruining the sound.

Amund