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How do we get Width/spread from a single guitar performance?

hi, a bit frustrated here-

my band is wanting a more "raw" sound from my guitar parts on this particular song (Lefthanded Woman Rough Mix 4
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2962&alid=1170). I re-recorded all the main rythym parts with a more "raw" tone, still using human doubles L/R panned 80% or so. (When I panned 100% L/R they got lost.) The band still think it sounds too perfect and not Raw enough. They keep talking about Jack White and Franz Ferdinand's guitars but = grrrr = I wanna sound like ME ^(%*^%$ .!
I can still sound like =me=, I know. Just want One of me now, not 4.

In the intro to this song I did =not= do human doubles but rather, clone copies on L100%/R100%/Center. I have the center copy turned way down, the Left copy I have a slight reverb on, and the right side copy I have eq'd hotter than the other 2. But I hear them as too upfront and too Mono sounding. Is my reverb on the left rather than the right, a step in the right direction? The customary reverb on the right sounds overprocessed no matter how light the reverb mix is.. I know that I can get it real gnarly and raw just cloning single performances. The question is how to make it wider and not so amateur sounding..when I put my guitars at 100% left and right, they get lost

Must be an EQ thing?

How can we spread wider than 100% ?

BTW I tried an M/S widening setting on my multiband comp (DigitalFishphones' Endorphin) to try out, and it was really awful. But I do have that tool at my disposal to continue tweaking on if thats the answer.

thanks

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anonymous Tue, 01/04/2005 - 02:04

Hi,

M/S widening wont do anything for a mono source, it has to be stereo for that to work.

This is down to how you record your guitar, instead trying to fix it in the mix. Try a pair dynamic cardioids in X/Y coincident close to grill, recorded on to two seperate tracks and panned hard left/right. Maybe in conjunction with this use a pair of stereo condensers a few feet away from the amp. Micing around the back of your guitar amp can produce interesting results coupled with the above. Mix and match.

I suppose what I'm saying here is get it right at the source. Fixing in the mix is just sticky plaster stuff really.

Good luck

Liam

anonymous Tue, 01/04/2005 - 11:01

thanks guys-

basically what I've decided is to give the band 2 mixes, one with an Alan guitar approach (the current one in the link) and one with the Jack friggin White guitar approach with all new tracking and different mixing. I still want to sell them on =my= version. This'll be in a couple weeks when the singer finishes all his vocals. I'm not really that mad anymore.. I have, you might say, "high-quality problems", in other words, I'm just glad to have people to play with.

(thanks for the compliment Thomaster :D )