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How to use an 1176 compressor

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For those of you using or curious about how to use an 1176 (hardware or plug-in), Fad Dupont  http://puremix.net/… a new video on it. As usual, this new tutorial is excellent.

This video has a fee attached to it and also a short trailer.

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gdoubleyou Tue, 04/08/2014 - 12:02
thatjeffguy, post: 392613, member: 38103 wrote: i'm sure I'll own an 1176 eventually... just need to get a few more clients in the door. I live on an island in Puget Sound... just a 20 minute ferry ride from Seattle or Tacoma, but I think it's a mental barrier to those who live off-island. On-island there are tons of musicians, but few with any money! So I'm in business-building mode right now. New equipment will need to wait until business is up!
chavernac and Chris, thanks to you both for your replies to my inquiry.
Jeff

Vashon, that's a tough commute, I used to work in Keyport in my youth.

I have an UAD Apollo, Fab does a lot of presentations for them at NAMM and other trade shows.

UAD's 1176 Collection emulates the Rev A, AE, and E models.

Like Remy said, software is getting close, the UAD is close to hardware.
The hardware clones are out of my budget, and would disrupt my minimal setup.

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RemyRAD Tue, 04/08/2014 - 21:49
I don't know? I've got 3 original 1176's. I've seen some lovely DIY clones that are more than affordable. They seem to be mostly like the later revisions like my 1980s, 1176's? They really can't pull off the earlier version since it required a specialized custom transformer with secondary tertiary windings, utilized within the feedback loop of the output amplifier. The later units just used a Dean Jensen output transformer. They're all good. Ya can't go wrong when you want that classic 1176, FET sound. And I happen to like that a lot. So those are the hardware clones.


The U A D, they can emulate that earlier version, I'm sure to those that have that custom output transformer and tertiary feedback loop. That's like my black one from 1975. All sound similar. While some slightly different. I don't know? I might get spoiled if I got one of those? How the heck are ya supposed to plug those into these new laptops that only have USB 2.0/3.0? No FireWire. No way to plug FireWire in. No Thunderbolt anything. I'm not amused by the current trend. I don't like playing with computer etch a sketch's. Why can't some tools just be tools sized? No I don't want a Mac.

Even though earlier Bomb Factory 1176 clone, supplied with ProTools 7, so many years ago, was also still rather reasonable in its emulation. And that was a stock bundle. So I can only imagine these newly emulated ones are bitchin'? I just don't like software when they start putting corrections to compensate, for what the original analog version, couldn't do. Then it becomes a whole other animal. Don't give me no lookahead. I want the overshoot. Otherwise slowing your attack time down then, still doesn't give you back any dynamics.

I don't know why 1176's are so much fun to play with? More knobs? You can press all four buttons and watch the meter go bang bang bang. It gets really schizoid. I've heard the good plug-ins do that well?

One of mine is down...
Mx. Remy Ann David

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Member Wed, 04/09/2014 - 05:42
The times that I have used 1176's, I've found exactly what Remy was talking about in terms of them being different.

I don't think that this is necessarily a bad thing, but I've never run into two that sounded exactly the same. It's not at all like inserting a Yamaha Rev 7 and calling up a factory preset.... these all sound exactly the same from unit to unit.

With the Urei's, things varied... even in the popular "All Button" mode.
Some had more "grit' or edge to them than others, some had a punchier response, etc. Although I've never found one that I didn't like. I think the same thing about the LA2 as well.

There were times where I would bus signal into an LA at unity gain, and not engage any gain reduction at all, but used it just to pick up the coloration that it offered.

I've never had the opportunity to use them together though. I imagine that it's a very nice processing stack to have. I just never worked at a studio that had both, they always had one or the other, although the LA2 was the most popular.

I have plug emulations of both. Although I'm dubious as to them sounding exact - or even close - to the real deals.

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kmetal Thu, 09/20/2012 - 21:57
we use a silverface '1176Ln (i think)' alot in parallel for bass, snare drums. I've gotten some great gritt on vocals on the way in, w/ all buttons 'out'. Not a typo, i know people use the all buttons 'in', but man, what a heck of a grit i get when i push our the 1176 all buttons out, at the studio! i use it as much as a grit unit, as a compressor. I'm gonna buy one at some point i life. I do find that the older gear is more noisey, but that doesn't usually bother me very much.

After using the BF 1176, and the CLA 1176 (blackface/blue stripe), i find i can't get that grit. It does come down to whatever particular unit they modeled. Which is why hardware is such an allusive thing. Software offers undeniable consistency and convenience. I like to get my 'dirt' in the analog realm and use digital to correct analog deficiencies.

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Drew Wed, 04/09/2014 - 09:02
RemyRAD, post: 413503, member: 26269 wrote: I don't know? I've got 3 original 1176's. I've seen some lovely DIY clones that are more than affordable. They seem to be mostly like the later revisions like my 1980s, 1176's? They really can't pull off the earlier version since it required a specialized custom transformer with secondary tertiary windings, utilized within the feedback loop of the output amplifier. The later units just used a Dean Jensen output transformer. They're all good. Ya can't go wrong when you want that classic 1176, FET sound. And I happen to like that a lot. So those are the hardware clones.


The U A D, they can emulate that earlier version, I'm sure to those that have that custom output transformer and tertiary feedback loop. That's like my black one from 1975. All sound similar. While some slightly different. I don't know? I might get spoiled if I got one of those? How the heck are ya supposed to plug those into these new laptops that only have USB 2.0/3.0? No FireWire. No way to plug FireWire in. No Thunderbolt anything. I'm not amused by the current trend. I don't like playing with computer etch a sketch's. Why can't some tools just be tools sized? No I don't want a Mac.

Even though earlier Bomb Factory 1176 clone, supplied with ProTools 7, so many years ago, was also still rather reasonable in its emulation. And that was a stock bundle. So I can only imagine these newly emulated ones are bitchin'? I just don't like software when they start putting corrections to compensate, for what the original analog version, couldn't do. Then it becomes a whole other animal. Don't give me no lookahead. I want the overshoot. Otherwise slowing your attack time down then, still doesn't give you back any dynamics.

I don't know why 1176's are so much fun to play with? More knobs? You can press all four buttons and watch the meter go bang bang bang. It gets really schizoid. I've heard the good plug-ins do that well?

One of mine is down...
Mx. Remy Ann David
Thanks for sharing this, Remy..

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audiokid Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:17
my go to vocal chain is still an 1176 into an LA2A. The other way around is also excellent but I think I prefer the 1176 first as mentioned a year back in this thread.
Everyone should have at least one of each in a studio. If I was to choose one of the 2 for vocals, the LA2A wins hands down. But I wouldn't want to choose and if I had to, I would quickly be looking for something to sell/pawn so I could get the 1176.

I sold a lot of gear I had over the last year but not these two pieces. In fact, I have 2 of each and I'd like another 4. Killer analog vibe than nothing compares. Comps and vibe. These excel.

The 1176 is the most versatile and exciting piece of gear in my studio. It can also do a lot of damage in the wrong hands.

Everytime I use the 1176, I need to rethink the dials for a brief sec :) . I hate how backwards they are to everything else, but they do make sense.

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thatjeffguy Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:48
Hey audiokid, I'm wondering if you investigated the UA 2-1176? Wondering why you went with two separate 1176 units instead of one 2-1176 ? Would have saved quite a bit, so I'm thinking you must have learned something about the 2-1176 that wasn't as good as the 1176. I'm close to buying one or the other and would appreciate anything you may have learned re: comparison between the two.

Thanks Chris,

Jeff

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audiokid Fri, 09/21/2012 - 19:19
Hey Jeff,

Sound came first followed by....

All the research I did came up with (vintage or re issue), a 1176LN sounded different than the UA-2. 1176 came up on top.
The 1176LN has better resale by a long shot.
If one has an issue, I still have a back-up.
I will always choose the option to have independent power supply's, so two 1176'2 over one was a no brainer.
You can get a stereo connector for them so if I want them basically matched, its possible. . Not sure what that is but I read that in the manual.

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Member Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:07
LOL... yeah... the attack and release functions on the 1176 are opposite from what other GR processors are... I remember the very first time I used one, I had the attack set for the fastest setting, which was - I thought - "1"... and I couldn't figure out why the attack was so slow. :confused:
The head engineer at the studio told me about the functions being opposite of what other GR processors usually were, o_O and I eventually got back on track... but I had some serious head scratching moments going on until he told me. LOL

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BobRogers Sat, 09/22/2012 - 04:12
For those of us primarily working in the box, I just thought I would throw out there that UA recently released upgraded version of their 1176 plugin that models three different incarnations of vintage 1176 hardware. Not comparing them to the hardware, but just judged on their own merits they are excellent sounding compressor plugins. Of course, they operate like the hardware, so the tutorial that started the thread (which is very well done) is very helpful in getting the most out of the plugins.

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thatjeffguy Sat, 09/22/2012 - 09:56
Hi Chris, thanks for responding. You bring up a real good point about the resale aspect of the two devices... I hadn't considered that. It does help to know they don't sound the same. I think I'd rather go with the 1176LN when all is considered. Sometimes I wish I had a day job so I could more easily afford more toys. Things are quiet in the studio right now, seems all of my clients are busy with other stuff!

Bob, thanks for the info on the new plugs, I'm going to check those out!

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Member Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:35
RemyRAD, post: 413503, member: 26269 wrote:

Even though earlier Bomb Factory 1176 clone, supplied with ProTools 7, so many years ago, was also still rather reasonable in its emulation. And that was a stock bundle. So I can only imagine these newly emulated ones are bitchin'? I just don't like software when they start putting corrections to compensate, for what the original analog version, couldn't do. Then it becomes a whole other animal. Don't give me no lookahead. I want the overshoot. Otherwise slowing your attack time down then, still doesn't give you back any dynamics.

Mx. Remy Ann David

I have emulator plugs for both the 1176 and the LA2... these are made by a company called Andress, and I have to say, they really aren't too bad. Are they the same as the hardware? Of course not. They are what they are, but that doesn't mean they can't be useful. Actually, I like them a lot better than I do the standard comp/limiter "stock" plugs from companies like Sonitus and Waves.

I also like that they haven't added any extended "features". There's no "look-ahead" or "super-cala-fragilistic" buttons. The controls on both of the Andress emulations are what you would find on the original hardware.

And, the best part... LOL.. they were free. So, even if they didn't do a damned thing - which is not the case - you can't be all that pissed off. ;)

I've never used the UA plugs, but I've heard from engineer friends who use them that the UA - DSP card-based processors are very nice.

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audiokid Wed, 08/29/2012 - 16:05
LA-2A first or after the 1176?

I finally had a chance to try some very basic experimenting with an LA-2A first and after an 1176. The 1176 first (1176 > LA-2A) sounds much more detailed and punchy, or less processed with more vibe. I would use this conf for lead VOX and possibly other apps. The 1176 grabs the transients right a way that would otherwise force the LA-2A into more compression that it doesn't handle well (a bad crossover of who gets what). What happens is an audible tone and drop in volume going into the LA2A first that is more muddy or dark. The opposite is more open, tighter and a nicer vibe. And if I want more tube, I can add more and its doesn't seem to loose the edge.
I didn't hear what some opinions claim that the fast transients will pass through for the 1176 to catch later being a benefit. It didn't work as nice that way in series but it might for a more mellow performance or desired effect.
Whatever technical reasons are behind it all, on this first serious round, it definitely creates a more mellow process when flipped (LA-2A > 1176). I personally feel its like a front wheel drive car apposed to real wheel. Or, putting your wife at the bottom end of the sofa while moving it up some stairs. The 1176 is better at taking the hit (or weight) where the LA-2A softens the load or helps balances it evenly and ultimately sends it further into glorious sonic wonderland. :)

The two are very compatible. smoke Beautiful

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audiokid Wed, 08/29/2012 - 20:39
Okay, I retract somewhat. After a few more hours doing the LA-2A first I am in love with the opposite too, lol, This is a crazy ass combo. Playing around with the levels either way there are sweet spots. So, I conclude as mentioned above, either way works. On both counts I am finding that just kissing the source with the LA-2A seems best though. Using both gain stages to allow for the other to push it home is where it happens.

Bottom line, the combo is one killer set-up. 1176 > LA-2A is still my fav for Vox

And now for kicks... I'm now going to order a different set of tubes.
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